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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

That is very helpful.

I want to take us on to a matter that you have previously spoken about and informed us of. It is one that not only the current committee but our predecessor committee in the previous parliamentary session identified as being extremely important. We get section 22 reports, for example, which contain recommendations, but because, the following year, a follow-up section 22 report is not produced on that organisation or public body, we lose track of what happens to the recommendations.

Therefore, we would value the ability to have oversight and continuity of interest. I recall that you said that you also saw that as being important, and that you were in discussions with the Scottish Government about establishing some kind of framework that would allow that to become a routine outcome of the audit work that you do and the reports that you present. From memory, December 2022 was mentioned as the date by which you hoped to be finalising that process. Could you bring us up to date with where things are with that framework? Are you taking any other steps to address that issue of being able to follow through on and keep track of recommendations that you and your auditors have made, which is, by common consent, a deficiency?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

As I mentioned, Roz McCall has questions on particular aspects of some of our longer-term areas of interest.

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

You alluded to our previous evidence session today, during which we discovered that 22 recommendations had become 26, not because four had been added on but because some of those 22 had been subdivided. Is there typically interaction with a public body in formulating recommendations, or are they imposed on it?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. It is fair to say—and some would argue—that the project Neptune outcomes will address that. We started with the ferries and will finish with the ferries. There was some concern about the sponsorship role of Transport Scotland and how that all fits together, so it is not just historical—we as a Public Audit Committee have contemporary concerns about how sponsorship arrangements are working in practice.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We obviously want to put quite a number of questions to you, but before we get to those I ask you to make a short opening statement to the committee.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

You described the eight-month wait as the outlier, but did you put that on your website to inform people who might have a complaint of the length of time that they might have to wait?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

We very much appreciate that. We also appreciate your response to Willie Coffey’s questions about sharing the legal advice. That has been a bit of a bugbear of ours, so we would really appreciate greater transparency on it.

Thank you very much for your evidence.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:13 Meeting suspended.  

10:16 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

Under agenda item 3, we will take evidence from the Auditor General and his team on their work programme for the next period of time.

I welcome Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, who is joined by Gemma Diamond, director at Audit Scotland, and Mark Taylor, audit director at Audit Scotland.

As usual, we have a series of questions that we would like to put to you, Auditor General. To begin with, also as usual, I ask you to make a short opening statement to get us under way.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

If you could write to us, not now, but subsequent to today’s session, with the comparable figure for the current date, that would be a useful measure for us to understand whether things are back to a level that most people would recognise.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 30 March 2023

Richard Leonard

I think that my next point also came up at the SPPA Committee meeting. You have touched on this, but I can safely say on behalf of the Public Audit Committee that we would be very supportive of welfare support being in place for respondents and, in particular, people who have lodged complaints. It seems a little bit unbalanced to have an apparatus through which complaints can be processed without having a wraparound support mechanism for people. If you and the Standards Commission are making those representations, we would be supportive of that.