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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I will ask you one quick question, to which I hope to get a quick answer before I bring in Willie Coffey.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
What is the current position?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
The second item on our agenda is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report on decarbonising heat in homes.
From the Scottish Government, I am pleased to welcome the director general net zero, Roy Brannen; Kersti Berge, director, energy and climate change; Catherine Williams, deputy director for heat in buildings delivery; and Sue Kearns, deputy director for heat in buildings policy. We have some questions to put to you. Before I get to those, I invite you to make a short opening statement, director general.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed, Mr Brannen. What I inferred from what you have just told us, but want to check for the record, is that you accept the recommendations of the Audit Scotland report. Can you confirm that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
You have said a couple of times that this is the point that we have now reached. I remind you of what that point looks like. The target was that 1 million out of the 2.5 million homes in Scotland would be converted by 2030, but, as I read the Audit Scotland report, the figure is not 1 million out of 2.5 million; it is 26,000 out of 2.5 million, which is about 1 per cent.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
I reflect again that 6,000 heat pumps out of 2.5 million households is way less than 1 per cent, isn’t it?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
The deputy convener, Jamie Greene, has some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 11th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.
The first item of business is a decision on taking agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Is the committee agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I will turn to one of the issues that are of particular concern for us, as elected members of the Scottish Parliament. Can you tell us why the Minister for Zero Carbon Buildings, Active Travel and Tenants’ Rights has proposed revised timelines for new regulations on heat in homes that are simply not compatible with the Scottish Government’s existing 2030 targets?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay, but we are in 2024, and the Scottish Government declared a climate emergency back in 2019. I understand why you mentioned the need to be careful and the need for extensive consultation, but why, in 2024, five years after a climate emergency was declared, are your plans still out to consultation? Why are we still talking about the need to take people with us? Why is it taking so long?