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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

I hope that you are not going to test me, director general.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Members of the committee will probe those issues in a bit more detail.

During the evidence session that we had with the Auditor General in November, he welcomed the single Scottish estate approach as a useful first step, but it was pretty clear from what he told us that he felt that it fell short of what was really required. In other words, operational buildings are not part of that approach, or certainly were not at the point at which he was putting together his briefing. Do you have any reflections on that? His view, which the committee shares, is that it is important that consideration is given to how the whole estate can be properly used and maximised.

In recent weeks, we have taken evidence about the fact that parts of our infrastructure—whether in our prisons or the health service—are reaching the end of their lives; in many cases, they have gone beyond the end of their expected lives. How are you approaching the development of a single Scottish estate approach that also takes into account the operational buildings?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Can I pick you up on the point about different governance arrangements? Are you saying that they are an impediment and that they prevent you from doing that, or are you saying something different?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

We will have more questions about the estates and so on shortly, but I now turn to Colin Beattie, who has some points to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that undertaking, director general.

I will bring in the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

That is capital only.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

That is not 15 minutes solely for you.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Excellent. Thank you.

With regard to the expiry of PFI contracts, what deliberations are made about those contracts? What support is given to the organisation, whether it is a local authority or another public body, to make the transition? Do you factor in alternatives to returning the contract in-house? Do you consider extending the role of the private contractor on the PFI contracts, if it is an operational matter? Do you consider putting the contract out to tender so that other private providers might come in, or is the default position of the Government that those contracts will return in-house, or come in-house?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I want to take us to a couple of broader areas. The first is governance. In exhibit 1 in the section 22 report, the Auditor General notes that concerns about governance arrangements in the health board have been flagged since May 2022, when there was a Scottish Government national planning and performance oversight group report. The terms of the independent corporate governance review were not agreed for another eight months, in January 2023, and the outcomes of that were not considered by the board until November 2023. That seems to be an inordinate delay in addressing something that is pretty fundamental to the functioning of the board. Maybe Janie McCusker will want come in on that and explain why that timeline looks as it does.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That is a useful introduction for us. Willie Coffey will ask the first question.