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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
It was before my time, too, Mr Rennick, but these are instructive lessons from history.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
My final questions are predominantly for Mr Reekie and Ms Alexander. First, on the capacity of the Scottish Futures Trust, are you able to give advice to the extent that you would like? Indeed, what form does that advice take? You are, in a sense, an investment arm. What advice are you giving Mr Rennick and other directors general as well as other parts of the public sector, including people such as Ms Medhurst? What does your advice cover?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay, that is fine.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Mr Rennick, do you want a final word?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Before we finish, Graham Simpson has one other question about the mutual investment model.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Unfortunately, Graham Simpson’s intervention means that everyone else now wants to come back in. I am going to make this the very final question. Willie Coffey started it all, so I am going to invite Willie to ask the very last question in this morning’s session.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Could I pick up on Mr Jobson’s answers? You have existing staff who were employed by Serco on certain terms and conditions of employment, and you have recruited new people to work at the prison who are on different terms and conditions of employment, specifically with fewer hours, more breaks and more annual leave. Presumably, that could be a cause of some conflict if existing long-serving staff see that people that they are working alongside are getting much better leave and break arrangements. How are you managing that operationally? If I am on a shorter working week than somebody else, how do you manage that? Also, how are you managing the potential for conflict between one group of workers and another?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Our major item for consideration this morning is a look into how expiring private finance initiative contracts are dealt with, which is something that the committee has delved into over the past few months. I am very pleased that we have a line-up of people who will, I hope, shed some light on that process, how it is working and how it might work in the future.
I am very pleased to welcome Neil Rennick, the director general for education and justice in the Scottish Government; Peter Reekie, the chief executive of the Scottish Futures Trust; Kerry Alexander, the director of infrastructure, finance and programmes at the Scottish Futures Trust; Teresa Medhurst, the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service; Lorraine Roughan, the project executive for His Majesty’s Prison Kilmarnock; and Adam Jobson, the director of organisational development at the Scottish Prison Service. You are very welcome.
We have quite a number of questions to put to you this morning, but before we get to those, I invite Neil Rennick and Teresa Medhurst to make brief opening remarks.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much, indeed. Can I ask an opening question of the director general? Did you say that the Scottish Government is not directly responsible for the process? You are the accountable officer, are you not? Your responsibility is to make sure that there is value for money in the outcomes from the process.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
I am struggling a little bit to understand why you could not have got the Serco staff on to those superior terms and conditions at a much earlier point. Why are they having to wait until December?