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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

I do not expect you to give me a comprehensive reply to this this morning, but who will be on the ministerial task force, the expert reference group and the stakeholder advisory group?

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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Is there a patient voice in and among all that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We are coming towards the end of our session, but we want to ask a few questions about estate management and where we are on capital expenditure.

There is a pause on capital investment, is there not? Will you describe what that means for the overall state of the NHS estate? Secondly, will you answer with particular reference to where we are with the national treatment centres, which were proffered as part of the solution to some of the things that we have spoken about this morning?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

There is a considerable backlog of maintenance, as highlighted in the Audit Scotland report. What are the Scottish Government’s plans to address that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Does that include consideration of RAAC, or reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

The downgrading of neonatal services at University hospital Wishaw means that people there are being told that they might have to travel to Aberdeen. How do you reconcile that with that goal?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Just to emphasise Graham Simpson’s point, he is asking questions about PFI contracts of varying value, one of which is coming to an end at the end of 2025, which is not that far away. We would expect you to have a bit more detail to furnish us with this morning.

The question that he asked about Wishaw general is pertinent because of the value of the contract, which is £100 million in capital value terms. I recognise that some of the other ones are quite small: one is due to expire at the end of 2029 and is valued at £2.7 million, which is probably small fry in the overall scheme of things. However, we would expect you to have a bit more detail to give us about a larger one such as a significant general hospital that is coming up to the end of its PFI term.

I will follow up another point that Graham Simpson made, which is about savings. Perhaps you can help me, because I do not quite understand why, when we see real-terms increases in the NHS Scotland budget year on year, territorial NHS boards are asked to come up with savings. Will you explain that to me?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

But does a territorial health board not have a budget for staffing?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

So what is the current estimate of costs for those seven treatment centres?

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 20th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first item on our agenda is for Fulton MacGregor to declare any relevant interests to the committee. Fulton joins us online. Over to you, Fulton.