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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Finally, and before I bring in the deputy convener, who I think has another couple of questions, do you think that this is a failure of GEOAmey, which is going to be sitting where you are sitting in a few weeks’ time? Is it a failure on its part, or is it a systemic failure? Is it a model that simply cannot work, no matter whether it is run by GEOAmey, Serco or whoever?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

You touched on the Allan Marshall case a couple of times. I do not know whether you have any reflections on this, but one of the things that struck me was that some of the recommendations of the fatal accident inquiry into Allan Marshall’s death were not implemented. Therefore, the fact that recommendations arise from an FAI does not necessarily mean that those will be agreed to in all cases by the Scottish Prison Service—and that is what happened in that case, was it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

I want to place on record our thanks for your forthright evidence this morning, chief inspector. That has been very helpful to the committee in our consideration of the Audit Scotland report.

You mentioned correspondence that you had about the GEOAmey contract and some information that might be more up to date. If you are able to share that with us, that would also be extremely helpful.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

That is great. Thank you very much indeed for your time and your evidence.

I will suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:00 Meeting suspended.  

10:03 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

May I take you back to an issue that you will be able to answer on, Auditor General? You mentioned, and the deputy convener asked you about, the economic leadership group, which is not yet in place. Who is it envisaged will be members of that? Is it an internal governmental powerhouse or does it draw on external business people, trade unions and economists, for example? What would it look like, if it was created?

10:30  

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the ninth meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee. We have apologies from Graham Simpson.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Does the committee agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

We have some questions on each of the areas that you have outlined, chief inspector, so if you are agreed, I will turn to the deputy convener to get the ball rolling. You will obviously have an opportunity to give extensive answers to our questions, which I hope will reflect the other things that you might have wanted to say in your opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

What is the rationale behind that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

I also note that

“65 per cent of non-court”

transport was on time, meaning that 35 per cent was not. That is the transport to the health appointments that you talked about in quite dramatic terms at the start of this morning’s session. We have also taken evidence about the vacancy rate in GEOAmey, and we have had discussions about salary levels and whether the reason for that high vacancy rate is the remuneration package that people get. Do you have a view on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. So, that is a yes, then. The market speaks, perhaps.

I now invite the deputy convener to wrap up the session.