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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

You “have not come across” it. Okay, that is interesting.

As I understand it, mentoring programmes and such things are part of the fabric of personal development in the civil service. Is that right?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Maybe that was another facet of the business case that was drawn up by the chief operating officer.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you very much indeed. I am sorry that there has been an air of rushing in the session. As the deputy convener remarked, your report is comprehensive and has given us a lot of evidence to consider. We will also consider whether we might want to invite more witnesses to give us their views on your findings in the annual section 23 audit of the NHS.

Auditor General, thank you very much for your evidence. I also thank Cornilius Chikwama, Leigh Johnston and Martin McLauchlan.

11:39 Meeting continued in private until 11:53.  

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you, Willie. I turn to the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, who has a final question or two.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. That draws to a close our evidence session on Audit Scotland’s briefing paper on the national economic strategy. I thank the Auditor General for his evidence and Cornilius Chikwama for his contribution. I also thank Catherine Young and Kirsty Ridd.

I now move the meeting into private session.

11:07 Meeting continued in private until 11:32.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the section 22 report, “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”, and I am delighted to welcome to the meeting Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, His Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons for Scotland.

We have some questions that we would like to put to you, Wendy. However, before we get to them, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

We will have more questions about the estate later.

I want to pick up on something that feels almost counterintuitive to me and which we have, I think, previously taken evidence on. If a person is on remand, they are more likely to be locked up for longer. That is still the case, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

As you mentioned earlier, you spent time as the governor of Kilmarnock prison. From that perspective, do you have a view about how things could work better collaboratively between the Prison Service—or the private sector, as was then the case—and central Government departments?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you have a view about the model of outsourcing that function of the prison service?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Richard Leonard

But, again, we took evidence from the Auditor General that, as the report says,

“62 per cent of prisoners due in court arrived on time”.

That means that 38 per cent did not.