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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you mean six months’ pay?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Wow.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

I would rather the figure was accurate, so I am happy for that to be the case.

I thank the witnesses for their time. I will suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:33 Meeting suspended.  

10:36 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

The next questions come from Colin Beattie.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I now invite Willie Coffey to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

My final question is on leadership, especially at health board level. First, your report mentioned that four of the 14 territorial boards will be looking for new chief executives. Actually, the number might have gone up since the date of the report. My question is this: how much succession planning is there? The committee gets the impression that people move around from board to board. Is that too narrow a focus for recruitment to the senior positions? Have you a view on whether other parts of the public sector could be looked to?

The second part of my question is about non-executive board members. The committee has looked in some detail at the NHS Forth Valley experience, where there has been a governance review, fairly substantial recommendations have been made, people have moved on and so on. What are your views on recruitment, the standard of people who come forward for non-executive posts and whether the training that they receive is sufficient to equip them to do those important jobs? In the end, they are responsible for a huge part of public expenditure in Scotland—40 per cent, potentially rising to 50 per cent—under the devolved budget.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

Mr Rathjen, I want to go back to you, because I feel as though you are almost misleading the committee. You said that you believed that it was an error of judgment and that you thought that what was going on was not acceptable, but when I read the email that you sent, I see that you said things like,

“I am grateful for the opportunity to comment ...On the Christmas gifts I accept this was an oversight and do not think it is proportionate to try and recover the balance ... On the training costs, I rather agree that this is a unique training offering and can see why single tender was your approach ... I would have agreed with the approach ... Due diligence had been carried out”.

That does not tell me that you are challenging the decision; it tells me that you are going along with it. You are complicit in what many people who are looking at the matter now would understand to be a waste of public money.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

I think that Graham Simpson has some more questions in line with that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

No—

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Richard Leonard

But what is your view of the fact that we have been told that the only institutions that were considered for this course were Harvard, Stanford and Yale?