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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Wow! Okay.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay, but do you think that they did their job? Were they part of the process of reforming the organisation?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
I have never bumped into the Standards Commission in a professional capacity, but am I right in thinking that you are located in the Scottish Parliament building?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Or—and I say this in the interests of balance—they might not have approved a wind farm going ahead.
I have no more questions, convener.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Is that proposal in the public domain? Can we get a copy of it?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
I am not sure whether you were on the commission at the time but, with Mr Bruce’s predecessor, there was a test of the powers and the relationship between the Standards Commission and the Ethical Standards Commissioner, was there not? There was a bit of a dispute, to put it mildly, between the Standards Commission and the former commissioner. I do not know whether you were there at the time, Ms Vestri, but it would be interesting to get the commission’s perspective on that, on whether that led to any conclusions about the distribution of power between the two and on whether the Standards Commission’s powers are sufficient.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay. I will move on to a couple of other areas. In your submissions, you have emphasised the importance of collaboration to avoid duplication and overlap. Could you give us some examples of collaboration with other SPCB-supported bodies and say how that has enhanced the effectiveness of the work of the Standards Commission?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
My final question relates to the performance issue. How does the Standards Commission measure and demonstrate its outcomes? Do you have any kind of evaluation process that leads you to identify any improvements that can be made?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning, Mr Bruce. During the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s inquiry, there was a very interesting comment from the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman that appeared in the committee’s final report. The ombudsman said:
“We are not doing the job that we think we should be doing because we do not have the right legislative remit.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 30 April 2024; c 37.]
My question to you is this: do you think that you have the right legislative remit?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 30 January 2025
Richard Leonard
You have surveyed the landscape of other commissions and commissioners. Do you have any sense of whether they have the right framework? Do they have adequate powers, for example?