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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

But having been invited to it, and knowing that you were going to publish that information two days after the committee meeting, did you give any consideration to publishing it in advance of the meeting?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

We might invite you back to give oral evidence on those reports when we see them.

I have a couple of other questions to put to you. There are issues with the negotiations that are taking place around, for example, the small vessel replacement programme. Can you update the committee on where those negotiations are and when you expect decisions to be made?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Other members might ask you further questions about that.

Finally, I turn to the aspect of the report—on which we took further evidence from Audit Scotland—about difficulties with the internal audit arrangements.

Mr Miller, you have been saying that you have told Audit Scotland what to put in its report, and that you have volunteered everything, so there is nothing of any revelation to you. Do you think that it is satisfactory that there are criticisms of the internal audit arrangements? The report talks about a number of high-risk and medium-risk areas. Can you elaborate on what they are and tell us what your disposition is on the internal audit arrangements?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes—you have not paid a visit to the Public Audit Committee recently, which is always a good sign.

I have one final question. In the debate that is taking place about the future landscape of bodies such as yours, there has been an attempt to forge a distinction between the commissioners and commissions that are regulatory and those that have an advocacy function. In addition, distinctions are sometimes drawn between the commissions and commissioners that are proactive and those that are reactive. How would you define the work that you do? Is it regulatory only, or is there some advocacy? Is it simply reactive, or do you do proactive work as well?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks very much. Good morning, Ms Vestri. On the last point that you made, to what extent is the Standards Commission regulatory only, to what extent does it have any kind of advocacy role, to what extent is it reactive—just dealing with complaints as they come through the system—and to what extent do you see your role as being proactive?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I have a supplementary question. Earlier, you dismissed the idea of COSLA adjudicating over councillors, so how do you feel about the Scottish Parliament adjudicating over MSPs?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

You have touched on this already, but is your current statutory remit sufficient? You seemed to suggest just now that you think that it is—or that it is what you are working to, obviously. Do you see any limitations in that regard, and could you see any extensions to the powers that you currently have?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Are those proposed changes to procedure?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

That would be helpful. Would that require primary legislation?