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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and Drug Services”

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Auditor General, before we leave that question and I bring in Graham Simpson for a final round of questions, can I take you to exhibit 5 in the report, which is a graphic representation of performance by health board? You make the point that we cannot compare rural Scotland with urban Scotland and so on, but, if I look at the performance as depicted in the graph of, say, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, as I read it, that health board has met its targets on alcohol and drug treatment service performance measures in every single one of the past 10 quarters. However, if I look at NHS Lothian, which has at its centre Scotland’s second biggest city, I see that performance targets have not been met in any of the past 10 quarters. Why is there such huge variation from one end of the M8 to the other?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and Drug Services”

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Richard Leonard

It should not really be down to luck, should it?

I invite Graham Simpson to put some final questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and Drug Services”

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. Your report opens with some very harrowing figures, not just in terms of the absolute numbers of deaths and of the lives that are affected by them, but also in showing how bad the picture in Scotland remains in relative terms. It draws on figures from August 2024, so they are very up to date.

Even in paragraph 2 of the introduction, you say that the drug-induced death rate in Scotland is

“27.7 per 100,000 population”

and that

“The next highest rate was Ireland with a rate of 9.7”

per 100,000 people. That is almost three times the incidence of drug-induced deaths in Scotland compared with Ireland, and it puts Scotland way out in a wholly worse place than anywhere else in the rest of the United Kingdom, as well as in relation to the European examples that you draw on. You talk about the death rate from drug poisoning being twice as high in Scotland as it is anywhere else in the UK.

Those figures do not seem to be getting better, even over time. What is your reading of the reasons that lie behind the record that Scotland has, compared with other parts of the United Kingdom and other parts of Europe?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Before we move to item 2, I invite the Auditor General for Scotland to make a short statement on his report “Fiscal sustainability and reform in Scotland”, which was published earlier today.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and Drug Services”

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Richard Leonard

As you point out in the report, stigma is a huge factor in things such as suicide. It is a huge factor in the reason why people are in prison. It is a huge factor in driving why people are homeless. There are much wider implications of our competency in dealing with the challenge that we face as a society.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and Drug Services”

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will move things along by inviting the deputy convener to ask some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you—we get the message.

I invite the deputy convener to put some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Roughly speaking, how much has been spent on those cases so far?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Last year’s figure was £60 million.

Public Audit Committee

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee. James Dornan joins us online. Graham Simpson has to present amendments to another committee, but may join us later, depending on how that goes.

Agenda item 1 is consideration of whether to take in private items 4 and 5. Are we agreed on that?

Members indicated agreement.