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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Richard Leonard

The deputy convener, Jamie Greene, will put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. On that note, permanent secretary, I thank you, Lesley Fraser, Joe Griffin and Alyson Stafford for your evidence this morning. In one or two areas, you are going to supply us with a little bit more information, which we would very much welcome, as well as looking forward to the medium-term financial strategy and the accompanying delivery report; I am sure that the committee and the Parliament as a whole will scrutinise and analyse that when it is produced. Thank you very much for your input this morning.

Permanent secretary, we wish you very well for the future. We may even see you again before the committee in your new role—who knows? Thank you for the co-operative way in which you have engaged with the committee since you arrived three years ago.

I move the meeting into private session.

11:41 Meeting continued in private until 12:12.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I want to pick up on some of the issues that you discussed in answer to the previous series of questions.

One of the standard questions that we are asking everyone, and which uses the terminology of the landscape, is: to what extent do you see yourselves as having an advocacy function, and to what extent are you regulatory?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was helpful.

I should note for the Official Report that the first time that Professor O’Hagan and I met was when she was working for the Equal Opportunities Commission and I was working for the GMB trade union. In that respect, I was struck by what your written submission says in relation to your search for new powers, as some of them—the ability to take forward litigation, support legal proceedings and so on—look like the powers that the Equal Opportunities Commission used to have. It is worth noting for the Official Report that your long list of asks includes your powers being strengthened so that they cover your being able to

“Provide legal advice ... Raise legal proceedings ... Conduct inquiries in less limited circumstances ... Require and compel information ... Make unaccompanied and unannounced visits to any human rights duty bearer”

and

“Hold public hearings and require duty bearers to be present”.

You also ask for a bigger commission, but that is perhaps a separate point.

Could you run us through the difference that those additional powers would make to the work that you do at the moment?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Quite recently, we had a debate in the Parliament about your report on the Highlands and Islands. There is a real sense that people’s human rights are not being upheld in a whole range of areas, including access to public services, health services and culture. However, I cannot just go to the Inverness sheriff court and get a remedy for that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

If you had powers in that area, what more would you be able to do?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I will go back to the regulator and advocacy distinction. Do you see yourself as having a regulatory role?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I have another quick, and much more straightforward and practical, question about shared services. One of the things that we are looking at is the extent to which shared services support exists and how it can be enhanced. What are the barriers to greater shared services?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Imagine it, Mr Hobbs. Would you like them?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is the collective view of the commissioner and the office.