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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 May 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I refer you to my earlier answer in which I explained that it would be very unusual for the code of practice to be written by a minister when we have a body such as NatureScot, which will be taking forward the licensing scheme and the code of practice in consultation with, and through working together with, stakeholders.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

There is nothing unusual about this at all, but I will bring in Hugh Dignon, who will probably have examples, given that the matter is in his remit.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I watched your line of questioning on the issue in a previous committee meeting. I think that it was to Professor Werritty.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I do not want to tell you what your job is, but you can have NatureScot in front of you any time you want, as can I. As the bill becomes law, the code of practice is put together and the licensing scheme is put into operation—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

We are giving the SSPCA the powers to gather evidence that would assist the police.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

The bill refers to

“any other body that has as one of its functions reporting, for consideration of the question of prosecution”.

In effect, the SSPCA would be gathering evidence. I get what you are getting at, though. The SSPCA is able to provide evidence, but it can already do so in a range of cases, even before it gets the proposed powers. It does so if there is, say, illegal breeding of domestic animals or concerns about the suffering of animals. It will provide evidence, should something go to court. That is what that means. Hugh Dignon might want to come in on the detail of that, if I have got it slightly wrong.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

They need those protocols to be in place, because they will be working together. They already work together very closely on domestic cases.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Absolutely.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

It comes down to the fact that peatland is so important. The science on that has developed substantially, as we now know how much of a carbon sink peatland is—it is a big sequestrator of carbon. You will know that the Scottish Government has a range of policy objectives and that a major one is the rewetting of peatland, which is now in my portfolio. The regeneration of peatland will be very important in helping us to reach the climate change targets that we have set—both the interim 2030 target and the target of net zero by 2045. More than that, peatland is rich in biodiversity in relation to not just plant life but fungus, which is crucial to the health of the land, and the species that live on peatland.

When activities such as muirburn take place on peatland, we believe that there should be special considerations. We should give some guidance on where such activities can happen, and we should monitor what is going on where, particularly when muirburn takes place on peatland. We should give an idea of what we consider peatland to be and what a licence is needed for—we should provide information on the depth, for example.

It all comes down to the fact that adherence to the code and the applications for licences can add to the science and data on muirburn on peatland, which will be very helpful. We are adhering to the precautionary principle because of peatland’s massive value to the health of the soil in Scotland and to the environment more generally. Its value is so substantial that special measures are required.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Yes. I think that we have pretty much given that assurance already—I think that my officials gave it when they came in front of you. The licences are going to be straightforward to apply for. We are talking about a space where, if people are not adhering to the code, the liaison that I have discussed will take place. I understand why you are putting the worst-case scenarios to us, but, if you need something in writing to confirm what we have already said, we are happy to provide that.

I do not know whether Hugh Dignon wants to comment and, perhaps, identify something in the bill that might be helpful in this regard.