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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

No, I do not, because I have been speaking to the SSPCA and Police Scotland about the issue, and my officials have been working closely with them on it. That is why we have arrived at the situation in which the police are comfortable with the powers that they have asked us to outline, which I did in response to Ariane Burgess, and the limitations of those powers.

The most important thing is the protocols that will be generated as a result of the enhanced partnership working between the police and the SSPCA.

The police do not see it as an issue, and the protocols will ensure that it is not an issue. The SSPCA will want to ensure that its involvement in any evidence gathering around wildlife crime is unimpeachable, for reasons that you can imagine. It would like its professionalism to be recognised.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

No, I am not concerned at all about that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

I will do the same monitoring as I would do for anything that is in my portfolio, including on how legislation that I have taken through is working on the ground. If it is an issue, it will be brought to my attention by Police Scotland or the SSPCA and we will take it from there. However, I do not foresee that. I feel confident that they will be able to work together. The police have put forward their views on what they would like to see, and we have agreed with them, as has the SSPCA.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

Ms Hamilton, I think that you have been a little bit narrow with regard to what I have said. As with any legislation that goes through, we will continue our engagement with the stakeholders that it affects.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

I hope that that has been helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

I do not know how we could find that out.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

Many animal welfare agencies support the banning of snares for animal welfare reasons, regardless of who sets them. The British Veterinary Association is one such body, and it is very much respected on animal health and welfare issues. I believe that it supplied evidence to the committee, and it certainly supplied evidence for the consultation. Studies have been carried out at United Kingdom level, too. For example, in 2010, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs conducted a large study that has informed much of our historical thinking about non-target species.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

Currently, snares are used in Scotland for the target species of foxes—obviously, they are a predator—and rabbits and brown hares, which are often viewed as pests. Under the regulations from 1994, it is illegal

“to deliberately or recklessly capture, injure or kill a wild animal of a ... protected species such as a wild cat”

or, obviously, a badger, unless a licence has been granted by NatureScot.

However, the use of snaring is actually quite low because shooting is the main means used by people who want, for example, to keep down the number of foxes on their land because they are a predator. The vast majority of control measures involve shooting, which is seen as a humane way of dealing with animals that are considered to be pests or predators that can impact on the livelihood of farmers, for example.

Your second question, Dr Allan, was about the sale of snares.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

You are asking me for NatureScot’s opinion, but I am not from NatureScot.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Gillian Martin

I can give you an undertaking: if you let me know when the committee is deliberating on its stage 1 report, I will get that decision to you.