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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
You and I have worked closely together on other bills and we have been able to discuss amendments that you might want to lodge. My overall point is that the bill allows future flexibility by providing a power to add to the list of target topics. What is in the bill is what we were advised by the PAG to include. However, once the bill is passed, the door is not closed; there is the ability to add other topics. Indeed, there were some topics about which the PAG said that it did not have the necessary evidence base or information, so it asked for those not to be put in until it had more information. Maybe Lisa McCann can flesh out a little of the detail of that.
09:45Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
Do you mean the trigger of a certain date or a certain circumstance? The bill’s proposed new section 2E(5) of the Nature Conservation (Scotland) Act 2004 already allows ministers to add to the target topics. A time trigger, for example, would not be the right way to do it, because, as Lisa McCann has just said, the addition will be based on the development of the indicators. The advice that the PAG has given us is to develop those indicators. Then, at a point at which it is satisfied, the target can be added. There is not much point in having a target on which we cannot measure progress. There is no resistance to putting more targets in. It is just a case of wanting to put in targets for which we have the evidence base, the indicators and the prospect of being able to measure our success or otherwise.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
Can I take that away? I do not want an arbitrary trigger that would leave us in the same situation of having a target that is not measurable. Maybe we can bottom that out. I will speak to my officials, and we can speak about whether that is doable.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
The premise of your question is that the Scottish Government cannot meet its offshore wind ambitions, but, in fact—
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
I am not quite sure how to answer that. The fact remains that the Scottish Government has responsibility for inshore areas and the UK Government has responsibility for offshore areas.
That exemplifies why it is important that the UK Government, as well as the Scottish Government, takes into account the net zero goals and the biodiversity goals. Interoperability between the four nations is extremely important, because biodiversity does not have boundaries—species do not have boundaries. We all have to work together to—
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
Good environmental status is a UK-wide endeavour, if that answers your question.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
Yes. In my response to Emma Harper, I explained why such alignment could be very important. Obviously, we would want there to be alignment so that we do not have a gap. Guidance is, of course, not legally binding, but it is sensible to provide it if there is a gap. I will take advice from my official, who looks as though she might have something to add.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
No. The target-setting criteria are as I laid them out. We want alignment with the biodiversity strategy and the global biodiversity framework. The target-setting criteria were set out for the bill, with all the alignments. There had to be criteria for setting the targets. It is not a case of not bringing anything new; it is about the target-setting criteria being interwoven into all the other biodiversity goals, outcomes and frameworks to ensure that the targets are robust, measurable, realistic and achievable.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
Yes—exactly. I come back to the point that we cannot just set arbitrary targets; there have to be criteria behind the targets, and they have to be grounded in all the other strategies that have been followed to get us to 2030, to halt biodiversity decline, to become nature positive and to have species restoration by 2045.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2025
Gillian Martin
That is why I was a bit confused.