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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I had a meeting on that with the Scottish Trades Union Congress and relevant union heads in St Andrew’s house—I think it might have been in July or August. They wanted to feed their thoughts into the draft energy strategy and just transition plan in person, and they also made those points to me. The issue will sit more within the just transition plan space.

Again, I am not going to pre-empt what will be in the plan when it is launched. Given what I have just said to Mark Ruskell, the matter has been looked at, particularly in relation to the energy strategy, given what has been happening in the UK space, not just with policy but with some of the issues that have been brought up and decisions that have been made around legal proceedings, if I can put it that way. All I can say to Ms Lennon is that we engage with the unions all the time on the matter, and I had that specific meeting with them to go through some of the issues that she mentioned.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I had a meeting yesterday with the secretary of state and representatives from Petroineos. The company is going into stage 2 of its consultations with the workforce. It is starting to have one-to-one meetings with members of the workforce, particularly those that it has not been able to redeploy.

I have asked for more detail from the company on the workforce that it is retaining for the import terminal, the shutdown of the refinery and the processes that are associated with that shutdown. I have also asked for information on people who have other employment, whether in other parts of the Grangemouth industrial complex or elsewhere. Petroineos said that it would try to provide that for me, because it is important that we know what is going on there.

I am also due to have a review of the study that has been done. I refer to project willow, which is looking at the various commercial opportunities for the Grangemouth site. It is far advanced. The secretary of state had his discussion with Ernst & Young on that before Christmas. Mine is due next week, so I will be able to have a lot more discussion about it. Once that study is published, it is our aim to work with the UK Government, Petroineos and any potential investors that we have in the UK and Scotland on some of the opportunities that there will be for that site.

Some of those opportunities are exciting. I look forward to hearing more about the detail of project willow. It says to me that there are, initially, four or five particular streams of opportunity for what that site could become that could be really exciting for Scotland, the rest of the UK and the workforce at Grangemouth.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. There is no agreement. We have a different policy on nuclear to that of the Labour Government, but there is acknowledgement that we do not want new current technology nuclear developments in Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

That is true.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

We have concentrated on the areas that have devolved implications, particularly in clause 5, but not so much in clause 6, which is about the company more generally, rather than about acting in the Scottish space. We have had those discussions. Clause 5 is the one that we really had to get “consent” into, because that makes the most material difference in terms of things happening in the devolved space and some of the issues that Mr Matheson brought up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I will wait to see the wording of the amendment before I lodge an LCM, but we have an agreement that that has been taken on board.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

That is a question for GB Energy, but there are things in our policy that mean that consent will not be given for new nuclear with the current technologies, for all the reasons that are on the record.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I want to make sure that a fair share of the investment funding for any technology that goes to GB Energy comes to Scotland, so that we do not reinvent the wheel when it comes to the vehicles that are used to give out that funding. We already have well-established funding streams that have done very well and are oversubscribed. To increase capacity, we need to make sure that the funding that is associated with GB Energy’s funding streams in that area is coming to Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. We look at EU alignment in absolutely everything that we do, both in terms of whether we give consent and in terms of our own bills. Nothing in this bill suggests anything in relation to EU alignment, so I am content in that area. It is a short answer, but effectively there is nothing that is an issue.