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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

I am happy to do that. I maybe did not get your question in the first place—I thought that you were looking for the document to be put in front of you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

Yes. I will give you more detail on what has been done. A joint Scottish Government and Scottish Parliament review of budget matters pertaining to the climate reported at the end of last year. There were three strands of work in that report, which Scottish Government officials are now taking forward. That speaks to what I was talking about in relation to wider cross-portfolio work.

The first proposal is to include a dedicated climate annex in the Scottish budget suite of documents. That action was discharged during the 2023-24 budget cycle, and such an annex will be included in all future years. Every cabinet secretary has to report on what they are doing in their budget to reduce emissions in their sector. As Mr Matheson knows, climate change action does not sit just in my portfolio—it sits in the transport portfolio, the housing portfolio and the agriculture and land use portfolios, too.

There is work to develop an enhanced taxonomy methodology for capital and resource budget spend, and on presenting a supporting document to the 2024-25 Scottish budget. There is also work on developing a net zero assessment for policy making, and that is in the pilot stage. I want that work to accelerate, with an intention to roll that out across Government from the beginning of 2025.

I often reflect that, when I was the convener of the committee’s predecessor, the Government had one cabinet secretary, Roseanna Cunningham, who did not even have a junior minister, in front of us talking about the 2019 climate change legislation. One criticism that was made, and one piece of advice that was given to the Government off the back of that, was that our approach to climate change needed to be mainstreamed across the Government.

I have seen a sea change. It is quite apparent that responsibility has been taken for climate change across all portfolios and departments of the Government, but you cannot take action without having the funding behind that in the budget.

On the integrated aspect of getting to net zero, the fact that, since the First Minister came into post, net zero has remained one of his core missions shows you how embedded that is. However, there is still work to be done, particularly with regard to the budget.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

Can I clarify that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

If the bill is passed and if we have royal assent by November, the Climate Change Committee will be asked for its advice on the basis that we will have a five-year carbon budget process. I think that the committee had representatives of the Climate Change Committee in front of it last week. As it stands, that committee is saying to us that it will be able to get that advice to us in spring. We have the same question as you, namely, when in spring—in what month? Obviously, I want the advice as early as possible, but it must be the right advice.

Once we get the advice, we will analyse it and put forward the secondary legislation as quickly as possible, to get it through Parliament. At the same time, as I have explained, we will be working on the draft climate change plan, which we want to get out to the committee, stakeholders and the public as quickly as possible. If the advice from the CCC comes in, say, April, I feel confident—without making Mr Raines here too nervous—that we can publish a draft climate change plan before the summer recess. That is my ambition.

If the CCC does not give us that advice until June, the situation will be different. You said that spring ends in June; I thought that that was summer. However, that is all the more reason for getting the process in place. As soon as we get the bill through and everybody, including the CCC, knows that we are moving to five-year carbon budgets, the CCC can get working on that advice for us. I hope that we will get that advice early in spring, which would allow this committee and our stakeholders to have a draft climate change plan to chew over and deliberate on in time for coming back from recess in September.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

Yes—sure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

I have told you what I know about the work that has happened and that is taking place. However, Phil Raines, who is in the weeds of all this work, has just helpfully told me that he can give you an assessment of where the pilot is.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

The section 36 report is out, and I will be—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

I will check with my officials but, presumably, if we miss the five-year carbon budget, there would have to be a report.

Phil will keep me right here.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Gillian Martin

Yes.