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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Gillian Martin

At its next meeting, on 7 June, the committee will consider in private its draft report on its inquiry into alternative pathways to primary care.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

12:27 Meeting continued in private until 12:41.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Gillian, do you have another question? If so, it would be great if you could direct it to one of the witnesses.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Item 3 is two formal evidence sessions in our inquiry into health inequalities. Today, we will focus on the impact of the pandemic and examples of good practice from the pandemic.

On our first panel, and joining us in person, is Bill Scott, chair of the Poverty and Inequality Commission, and online we have Dr Ima Jackson of the Scottish migrant ethnic health research strategy group; Ed Pybus, who is policy and parliamentary officer at the Child Poverty Action Group in Scotland; and Claire Sweeney, who is director of place and wellbeing at Public Health Scotland. Good morning to all, whether you are online or here in person.

I am sure that you have already been briefed, but I remind those of you who are online that, if you want to comment but you have not been directly asked by a member, put an R in the chat box and the clerks will let me know that you want to come in.

I want to ask all of you the obvious first question about where the pandemic has had the most impact, and which groups in our society have been disproportionately affected in terms of health inequalities. I will go round each of the witnesses in turn to get their overall assessment, and that will be a good springboard from which we can ask some more specific questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Gillian Martin

David Torrance has questions on children and young people.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Are you directing that question to Bill Scott first?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Gillian Martin

If anyone else wants to come in, they can use the chat box.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Given the point about deindustrialisation, I imagine that parts of England and Wales have been similarly affected, but that may not show up in national data in the same way as it does in Scotland.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Gillian Martin

I said that I would leave human rights to the very end, because it has run through a lot of what we have been talking about. The human right to live your life well is fundamental.

It is difficult to talk about conversations from our informal evidence sessions when three out of four of the witnesses who are here today were not party to those, so I will not use specifics. However, I was struck by people we spoke to who are seeking asylum and people who are advocating for family members and friends who are in prison, and we also heard about Gypsy Travellers and people with no recourse to public funds. The thread going through a lot of our conversations was that people do not feel that they are getting access to their basic human rights.

What would a human rights approach to tackling the structural inequalities look like? What specific interventions could be made to make human rights the thread that runs through the delivery of absolutely all our services, regardless of whether people have recourse to public funds and whoever they are in society in Scotland? What would that look like? It is a huge question, so you can see why I left it till the end.

I was particularly struck by what people told me about our prison population not getting access to healthcare, including medication, even if they have clinical health conditions when they go into or come out of prison. That will stay with me for a long time—frankly, it blew my mind. Other people from marginalised communities also feel that they do not have access to healthcare. Could there be interventions to ensure that they get that access?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Gillian Martin

David Finch has been able to join us. David, people are giving opening statements, so I ask for yours.

We cannot hear David, so we might have to ask him to join us on audio only. I am speaking through the ether to our broadcasting colleagues. Can we have David join us on audio only so that we have a fighting chance of hearing him?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Witnesses can, of course, make points that they want to make.

I am going to ask about human rights issues, but I will leave that until the end because my colleagues want to come in on some substantive issues. We move on to health inequalities impact assessments, with questions from Emma Harper.