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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Karen Lewis before I come to other colleagues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. Next, we will hear from Karen Lewis, from the Hub in Dumfries and Galloway.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you to you all for those comprehensive statements—so comprehensive, in fact, that you have probably answered the question that I was going to lead with, which was about your main asks in different policy areas.

I will quote our predecessor committee from session 4, which undertook an inquiry into health inequalities in 2015. In its report, it said that health inequalities

“would not be reduced without action to reduce inequalities in every other policy area and across every portfolio.”

We have just heard from Dr Wright that not only Scottish Government portfolios but UK Government portfolios have an impact on health inequalities. I was going to start by asking you all for your main asks, but you have given us a suite of asks that touch on a number of portfolio areas.

Therefore, I will dig into some of what Toni Groundwater talked about. I was in a break-out room with some of the people you support, and I have my notes from that session. After listening to those people and to you, I was taken aback by some of the things that those families are being put through. You led by talking about the health inequalities that family members suffer, and you also talked about adverse childhood experiences, but every person in that break-out room concentrated on the health inequalities affecting their loved ones in prison. That was their main focus, not themselves and not the impact that it had on their families, although that was evident from listening to them. Their main complaint was about their worry and anxiety for their partners, siblings, friends and so on who were in prison or custody and who were not getting access to their right to healthcare. You could see that that was having an effect on those people’s mental health.

In your statement, you said that there should be parity between the justice system and the healthcare system. I want to talk about the change that resulted from responsibility for the healthcare of prisoners moving from the SPS to the NHS. We heard families say that, when they had concerns about people getting access to medication for long-term conditions, the SPS said that the NHS was letting them down, and the NHS then said that it could not get access to the person because of the people running the prisons. Nobody knew who was responsible. Can you give us a bit more information? You deal with these things every day.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

You are talking about people being on a precipice the whole time—thank you for that description. Gillian Mackay is next.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Another thing that was mentioned was the training of prison officers so that they can identify when somebody really needs healthcare. Could you give us a little bit more information and some examples of when the system has fallen down?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

We will go to Sharon Wright first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Would anyone else like to come in on that no wrong door issue? I think that somebody said in a written submission that it takes a lot for somebody to ask for help in the first place, so wherever they go should be a gateway to that help. I see Richard Meade nodding.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank all four of you for the time that you have spent with us this morning, and I also extend my thanks to the many people whom you brought to speak to us a couple of weeks ago, some of whom are in the gallery today. It is nice to see them again, and I hope that we will be able to meet them after the meeting.

At our next meeting on 21 June, the committee will continue to take evidence for our inquiry into health inequalities. That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:28 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

That supplementary question is on a completely new area, Stephanie. We have 20 minutes left, but I ask a couple of witnesses to respond to that briefly before I move on to questions from Gillian Mackay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

The increase in utility bills for heating and electricity is affecting people with caring responsibilities disproportionately.