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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I will stop you there, Alison, because there are specific questions coming your way on all the aspects that you mentioned. I really wanted a broad overview of the bill. I am sorry to stop you mid-flow, but we have a number of questions. Paul O’Kane is first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

You might be aware of the views of witnesses in previous evidence sessions that there is not enough detail in the bill. When doing the review, your approach was to work with people who are accessing the current services as well as with people who work in the current services. The Scottish Government proposes to follow a similar process by having a framework in place and then going to the various and many stakeholders and involving them in a co-design process that will inform secondary legislation. Is that the right approach?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Alison Keir wants to come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

A number of members have questions. I ask them to be succinct and focused, because we have only half an hour left with our colleagues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I will pick up on your point about workforce challenges. The recruitment of GPs is an issue, as is the recruitment of ancillary staff who are currently provided as part of the GP contract. There is no one solution, but does the national care service offer the potential for a drive to recruit more people to the sector, given that parity of esteem for the care service and the health service is something that has come out in many of the consultation responses? I am happy to hear from anyone on that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. Stephanie Callaghan will now lead questions on the human rights-based approach.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move on to talk about prevention and early intervention. Our questions on that theme will be led by Gillian Mackay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Alison Keir wants to come back in. I imagine that you want to speak about what was said in response to Tess White’s question, so I am happy to bring you in before we move on.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

The next item is further consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We have two evidence sessions. The first evidence session will focus on the bill as it relates to the future of integrated health and care services, including community health, prevention, local services, rural services and transfer of functions.

First, I welcome panel members who are joining us in person. We have Nick Morris, the chair of NHS board chief executives and chairs; Alison White, the convener of Social Work Scotland; and Dr Chris Williams, the joint chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners Scotland.

We have two witnesses who are joining us online—Patricia Cassidy, who is the chief officer for Falkirk Health and Social Care Partnership and is representing Health and Social Care Scotland chief officers; and Alison Keir, who is the professional practice lead in Scotland for the Royal College of Occupational Therapists. Welcome to you all.

I will start off by asking for your general views on whether the bill as presented—this framework bill—has the potential to improve integration of services. One point has been put to us in a lot of the submissions from service users. I will quote one unpaid carer, who said:

“There is a lack of connection between health boards, councils, social care and public health. No joined up thinking.”

That is coming from somebody who is using the services, so I guess that our starting point is to look at the gaps and see whether the bill provides the framework, at the very least, for better integration. I will go round to each one of you. We will not be able to go round to each of you for every question, but—convener’s prerogative—I will allow everyone to answer my question, and then my colleagues will direct questions to individual witnesses.

A note for those who are joining us online—if I do not come to you in the first instance but you want to add anything, you can use the chat box to let me know that you want to come in. If you are in the room, just raise your hand and I will come to you. I will go round everyone in the order in which I introduced you. Nick Morris is first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Yes.