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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I am confident that that is happening, but I can get the detail to the committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

The Government funds only 50 per cent of SEPA’s activities, because it raises revenue for the other half. Operational decisions about how it spends that budget are for SEPA. We want to see that the money that we give to SEPA has been spent wisely. We have a relationship with SEPA in which we oversee how that is done, based on its business plan.

You will forgive me if I do not jump into being the chief executive officer of SEPA. It makes decisions based on its budget. It has revenue generation capacity and capabilities, as well as the £50.2 million that we are giving it in the budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

That issue is tangential to the budget. We want to ensure that Scotland’s environmental quality is as it should be. SEPA has assessed 87 per cent of Scotland’s water environment as having a high or good classification, and 66 per cent of water bodies are in good ecological condition. We also provide SEPA with a grant from the water environment fund for river basin management. Obviously, when public money is going to SEPA, we want to see that it is improving environmental quality in Scotland. If that is not the case, the Government, and the committee, will discuss that with SEPA.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I am not sure what that has to do with the budget, but I can say that £5 million has been put in the budget for community action hubs to deal with that.

I think that Mr Lumsden knows that I would be in danger of breaching the ministerial code if I engaged with any groups where there are live applications or potential applications.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

Did I hear you right, Ms Lennon—did you say that there is friction within the Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

We never wanted to use that money. Last year, we were working on the assumption that we were going to have a lot less money to spend—that was a very real scenario that we were looking at. We were confronted with quite a lot of things last year, particularly with regard to public sector pay demands. We did not want our local authority workers to go on strike, and we wanted to negotiate pay deals with them via COSLA. There were teachers’ pay deals to look at, too. There were an awful lot of demands on the public purse in the form of pay deals—rightly so, given the cost of living that people are facing right now. You can understand why that happened: we wanted to work with all the sectors that were making public sector pay asks.

However, we did not have the money for that, so we prepared ourselves for a budget settlement that might have meant use of ScotWind money. Every single member of the Cabinet wanted the ScotWind money to be used for the sorts of things that I have just talked about, so I am pleased that we are now in that situation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I can write to the committee to ensure that you have accurate information.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

I will need to get that information to the committee. Obviously, I am here to talk about the Scottish budget, so I do not have all the projections for ScotWind revenues in future years right in front of me. I do not want to give you the wrong figures.

I would say that the ScotWind money is not an overdraft facility. The Scottish Government has to work within its limitations. Unfortunately, we are in a position in which, last year, given the demands on us, we thought that our settlement was going to be quite difficult. We are not able to borrow to deal with situations such as pay deals. Any devolved Government would be in the same situation.

We could have refused those pay deals, but we did not want to do that, because we did not want to see the resultant impact of that on public services. We are now in a situation in which we have been able to balance the budget—I think that it is a very good budget—and are able to use those resources for the kinds of projects that I mentioned in my answer to Monica Lennon.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

We have the just transition fund. As I mentioned in my previous answers, Scotland does not have a supply chain just for oil and gas and another for renewables; we have an energy supply chain. Any just transition funding that we put out there helps oil and gas, its supply chain and its workers, because they are all energy workers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Gillian Martin

It is appropriately resourced. We had a discussion on resourcing during the passage of the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2024, and it is satisfied that it is resourced. We have an update on that, but I am not sure whether I have provided that to the committee. I will write to the committee once we have done an analysis of the implications for the delivery of the climate change plan. Late last week, we received an indication that the Climate Change Committee will publish its advice to us around 21 May.