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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Eleven recorded crimes—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Ms Hamilton, you are the one asserting that point—I do not agree with it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Okay—if that is additional to what my officials have already sent, because quite comprehensive evidence was sent to the committee a couple of weeks ago.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I get that. That is fine. We will pass that on.

09:30  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I gave you my initial personal thoughts about why we have not included possession in the bill, but I am, obviously, willing to move on anything. Beatrice Wishart raised the issue; it is, perhaps, something that she feels should be included in the bill. We are at the general principles stage, so I am willing to speak with anyone who thinks that the offences could be widened or improved.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I do—and you have just articulated effectively why I am open to considering something. First, we need to look at whether the existing offences and the associated penalties are enough of a deterrent. However, we also need to put our trust in the police. The system of ID numbers has been operational for a number of years, and for good reason. Let me put it this way: the police are not daft. They are going to sus out pretty quickly whether somebody is at it. As for whether taking a belt-and-braces approach and providing more of a deterrent will deter people, I am absolutely open to suggestions on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

When my officials were in front of the committee three or four weeks ago, we hoped to have a decision by today on whether we would seek to amend the bill in that regard. The reality is that we are still looking at proposals that have been put to us about other types of snares. We do not want to make a decision before we have fully investigated those proposals, but our decision will be imminent.

I am conscious that, as Christine Grahame said at the 31 May meeting, the committee will need time to scrutinise whatever we decide to do; I am completely alive to that fact. When I convened committees, I got quite upset when things changed halfway through a bill process and there was not adequate time for scrutiny, so I understand that the committee needs to know our position on snaring quite quickly. The committee can expect a decision very soon.

09:15  

When stakeholders tell us—as they have done, particularly from the gamekeeping fraternity—that there are more humane ways of doing things that they would like us to look at and that there has been modernisation in the field, it is incumbent on us not to dismiss that out of hand and simply barrel on regardless. We need to consider whether the mechanisms are humane, and we do that with veterinary and animal welfare colleagues.

To respond to Ms Wishart’s question, I cannot give a date, because I do not know it yet, but it will be soon.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Let me answer the question. Measures that we have put in place are still not making the significant difference that we intended them to make; they are not eradicating that crime. The fact that there has been recorded crime does not mean that unrecorded crime does not exist. I also note that a lot of the evidence has disappeared.

We are maybe talking about tagged birds—so, there would have been 11 tagged bird crimes in 2020. However, what of the ones that are not tagged? We have no way of knowing. Hugh knows about that figure.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

No, I would not. I have seen people claiming that the Werritty report was concerned with only raptor persecution—it was not. The Werritty report was by the grouse moor management group, and it made more than 40 recommendations relating to grouse moor management, including recommendations on licensing, grouse shooting, muirburn and the use of traps. The bill is reflective of those recommendations and the issues that the Werritty report identified. So, no, I will not reduce the scope of the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

To my understanding, we are also seeing that the populations are of a disproportionately younger age, which suggests that there are issues relating to the suspicious disappearance of more mature adults. I stick with what I said in response to Mr Allan. We feel that the licensing scheme is necessary, because we are not seeing the significant improvement that we wanted.