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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
A school is a slightly different setting from a children’s care home or whatever. Can we just make the rules for the two the same?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
I think that we would agree with all of that, but the question is who should be getting the training—that is what I am trying to pin down. Ms Sanger, should we be more relaxed about that at this point and leave that to guidance, or should the committee, in looking at the legislation, get into the issue of who gets trained for what?
10:45Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
But on that point, Governments are not known for anything dynamic. Might it actually be detrimental to have a fixed list, as it might mean that new ideas do not get in?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
Ms Martin, are you broadly in agreement with that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
That is great. Thank you.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
You mentioned training as part of that, which leads me to my next question. As you possibly heard, we spent a lot of time discussing training with the first panel of witnesses—most members raised the issue. There was a suggestion that a little bit of training could do more harm than good, because then everybody thinks that they know how to restrain people and they jump in to do that. What is your view on training as a whole? Is bad training happening as well as good training?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
So the janitor and the admin staff would not be getting that training.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
We could probably go on all day about this; it is really interesting. Ms Leitch, do you want to add anything on that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
Training has been mentioned a few times, so I will try to build on what has been said and pin the issue down a bit.
Ms Martin, say, for example, that there is a secondary school in my constituency that has a unit attached to it for autism and other special needs, with the kids spending some of their time in the unit and some of their time in the mainstream school. Who needs to get training in that area? As I think that we heard from Ross Greer, we cannot train all teachers in everything.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
John Mason
Would you include, say, the school janitor and school admin staff who might happen to witness an incident, or would you tell them, “No, you do not get involved. You call an appropriate teacher”?