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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I want to pursue the subject of universities a little more. You talked about having discussions with universities, and you also talked about scrutiny. The words “discussions” and “scrutiny” strike me as being slightly different. Discussions involve sitting around the table and having a chat about things, whereas scrutiny is a much more proactive process that involves going into places and looking at things. Will you say a bit more about your present relationship with universities and colleges and whether you think that that might change in future?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Would the counter argument not be that, if it is all under one umbrella, and we have, for example, young people doing university courses that do not lead anywhere, the SFC would have the ability to switch some of the money into apprenticeships? In that way, it could be a better thing for apprentices.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Okay. Ms Topley, I realise that I have not asked you any questions. Do you want to comment on that? Would that give us a more joined-up approach?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

I will leave that for my colleagues on the finance committee to dig into.

My next question is for all of you. One argument in favour of the bill is that it would simplify things by putting everything under one umbrella, which might help us to align the tertiary education system with the national economic and social goals. The need for investment in the Highlands has been mentioned. This is a general question, but would simplifying things mean that we could take a much more joined-up approach that could be tied in with the national economic and social goals, the national performance framework and all those things? Would that be easier?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

If someone had worked for 10 years in SDS, would that be treated as if they had worked for the Funding Council for 10 years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Mr Yeates, you have mentioned the figure of £30 million umpteen times already. Am I right in thinking that a lot of that is to do with pensions? I know that the Finance and Public Administration Committee, of which Mr Greer and I are also members, will be looking at that in more detail, but the issue has been mentioned so I would like to touch on it a little. Will you clarify where that big figure comes from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Okay.

As I understand it, a lot of what you have been doing falls under your normal guidance practice, some of which will be put into legislation in future. Will that make any difference, or is it just a case of formalising what is already happening?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

John Mason

Ms Reid, are you as relaxed about that as Mr Seaton?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

John Mason

Exactly.

I agree that we could raise taxes more. I thought that the little graph showing 20 countries and that countries such as Denmark and Norway pay considerably more in tax and get much better public services was very good. I do not know whether you want to comment on that.

I cannot remember exactly when the Government came out with the figures of 9 per cent and 3 per cent—I think that it was at the start of this year. Do you think that that was worth while, or should the Government be speaking to either the STUC or individual unions during the autumn, asking what pay settlement you would want, before it speaks to COSLA or anyone else? How do you see that process working?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

John Mason

I am interested in the idea of a pre-budget statement, which I read about in your submission, Alison—others have mentioned it as well. I presume that you or anyone else can engage earlier; you do not have to wait for the Government to do something. If you want to say to the Government that it has to spend more money on something, you can do that at any time of the year—you do not have to wait for the budget.

We already have a very complex landscape, and the public does not understand it. If we had a pre-budget statement, would that not just confuse the public even more? Also, there has been a huge increase in the number of civil servants. Would it not just mean yet more civil servants and money being taken away from front-line services?