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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

The finance committee and others thought that we might have got a little bit more detail in the medium-term financial strategy. Given that we did not, we are hoping—certainly, I am—that the Scottish spending review will not be too high level and we will get a bit more detail in that. However, I am happy to give you as much space as you want.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

Although this section of questioning was meant to be on universities, we seem to be combining universities and colleges. It is difficult not to refer to the University of Dundee, but we get the impression that some universities and colleges are a bit more aware than others of their responsibilities under your code of good governance, financial memoranda and conditions of funding documents. We had Paul Grice from Queen Margaret University before us. That university seems to tick all the boxes, as far as I could see; however, other colleges and universities clearly do not.

The question has come up about how proactive the SFC should be. Should it believe the form that comes in or should it go out to meet the institutions? You have referred to the external governance effectiveness review—GER—which is long overdue for some institutions. Will you tell us a bit more about how you interact with colleges and universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

Does that help you to pick up if there is a problem at a particular institution?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

That has not been happening at all in some cases, by the sound of it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

How are those processes different from an audit? Presumably, all the colleges and universities have both internal and external audits, so what is different about the external review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

I would be open to hearing about amendments that you think might be helpful.

In the paper that you submitted, you say:

“We increase our levels of engagement and monitoring activity for any institutions facing significant risks to their financial health.”

What does that mean? Is there a range of input or monitoring activity that you carry out?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

To go back to the colleges again, your submission says:

“Twenty-two ... are forecasting ... operating deficits”

this year, and four

“are forecasting a cash deficit”.

Does that suggest that there is a range, and that you look at those 22 colleges and the four colleges in different ways?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

We are down to four witnesses, but I will not be insulted if anybody else has to leave, so do not worry about that.

I want to follow up on training, which has already been mentioned. Mr Calder, when you talked about training, I think that you said something about three days per year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

I will not say that that is the gold standard, but the teachers and schools that need it most will be doing that training three days a year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

The point has been made that we cannot train everybody at that level, and we probably do not need to. Do we have a range of training? A previous witness talked about a training needs assessment or something like that. The GTCS must have a view on that.