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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

You said that all the different parties have to have lawyers. I wonder whether that is the case. Could we have a more inquisitorial approach and a less confrontational approach in public inquiries? I am also on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, which is looking into children’s hearings. There is a strong argument to be made that an inquisitorial approach should be taken in that system, with information being found out by asking the children and the families, rather than by the two parties having lawyers. Do you think that we could have public inquiries without having lawyers on both sides?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

I am sorry—can they not represent themselves?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

But we are considering changing the statutory requirements, so none of that is fixed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

You say that participants should be properly heard, and I agree with that, but I get constituents who, if I let them, would speak to me for five hours on their housing needs, their medical needs or whatever. I just do not have that time, and I have to restrict the time that they have to speak to me. I get the main points, they get a bit longer to explain the situation and then I have to draw the discussion to a close. A general practitioner gives people eight or 10 minutes. Should there not be a bit more control, so that the participants and the lawyers do not get to speak for as long as they want to?

I am an accountant, and audits have to be done in a certain time. You do the best that you can in three months for a million pounds or whatever the cost to do that might be. Could we not go down that route?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

I hear what you are saying, and I realise that that is what is happening at the moment. We are trying to explore whether there is a better or different way of doing it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

John Mason

It is good for us to hear a range of evidence. I accept that.

One of your suggestions is that the victims or people who are affected should be satisfied by the inquiry or should get closure, or however you want to describe it. You have been involved in four public inquiries. Have you found that all the victims have been satisfied by the procedures?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

Mr Britton, you seem to suggest—if I read your submission correctly; maybe I have got that mixed up with the view of the NASUWT witness, who has gone—that it should, in a sense, be up to the staff to choose what training they get, rather than making it mandatory. Am I misunderstanding or is that your line?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

We heard about an example earlier in which one teacher intervened and another did not, and both ended up facing a challenge.

I will ask my final question, because we are running out of time. You mention in virtually every line of your report that we need more resources and that that is the real answer, but you also express pessimism that there is not going to be much more resource and that you will simply get your 1 per cent of whatever it might be. Would you accept that we have to do something within the existing resources and that we cannot just sit back and wait until we have enough resources?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

How are those processes different from an audit? Presumably, all the colleges and universities have both internal and external audits, so what is different about the external review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

John Mason

I would be open to hearing about amendments that you think might be helpful.

In the paper that you submitted, you say:

“We increase our levels of engagement and monitoring activity for any institutions facing significant risks to their financial health.”

What does that mean? Is there a range of input or monitoring activity that you carry out?