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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

John Mason

Some people will definitely transfer, because 100 per cent of their job is in that area. Some people definitely will not transfer. Presumably, there is a grey area in the middle.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

The convener mentioned pay policy. There was criticism previously that you had not spelled out your pay policy. This year, you did—from memory, it is 9 per cent over three years or 3 per cent for one year, but the national health service has quickly settled for a two-year deal of 4.25 per cent and then 3.75 per cent. Where are we going with this? It seems that the pay policy sets a basis for discussion but that people then negotiate beyond that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

I think that, when they do a bit of pre-budget scrutiny and report back, some committees wonder whether it really has an impact on the Government. However, linked to that, there is the idea that committees should look at financial matters throughout the year, which, I presume, would have an impact. Can you say something about the impact that committees are having on the Government in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

I declare an interest in that I am a chartered accountant. I think that some of my colleagues charge by the hour.

I was going to draw a kind of comparison. A company’s accounts have to be audited, and I think that most people would say that, although auditors get it wrong at times, they are independent. However, the financial arrangements for companies are very different. There is a legal requirement for financial accounts to be submitted, usually within nine months or thereabouts, and audited. In the case of banks, the timeframe is even shorter than that. I come from that background and might be biased, but do you think that there is scope for an audit of a public inquiry? That would still be independent. You spoke about finding the balance between independence and controls. Could the legal side learn from the accountancy side?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

I understand that you were involved in the inquiry in Jersey because, although you were an outsider, you are an expert in that field. I would have thought that, in a specialised area such as medicine, there would be a strong argument for having a medical person rather than a legal person in charge of the inquiry.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

Maybe I should have known that. Was blame part of your conclusions? As you just said, some people expect that. Does that vary among public inquiries in that some would attribute blame while others would not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

You will have 14 days between 11 and 25 June. That is not very long, and I presume that things need to be printed and all that kind of stuff. Will you be able to do all that work in 14 days?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

An example at the moment is that the Education, Children and Young People Committee is looking at the situation at the University of Dundee. The issue is mainly financial, although there are probably other issues involved, too. That matter is not specifically linked to the budget, but it is a budget or finance kind of thing—it involves questions about how universities are funded—so does the Government take notice of that kind of inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

Is there a different mindset? If I have it correct, you said that if something has to be done, it has to be done. Within the accountancy profession, someone would know that they had a month in which to do the very best that they could, and that principle applies in other workplaces, too—the cleaners in this building do the best that they can in eight hours, and the cooks in the canteen do the best that they can in a set amount of time. There is a different kind of mindset in inquiries, and I sometimes wonder whether it is impossible to change that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

John Mason

That is great. Thank you.