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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

We have covered a lot of ground already. I think that it was Daniel Johnson who made the point that ministers do not often come to Parliament to talk about the national performance framework. It can also be argued that the rest of us in Parliament—back benchers and Opposition members—do not often ask questions about the national performance framework.

Should we all be concerned that it does not have the high profile that numbers of nurses, police officers or ambulances have? We all get excited about those numbers. Should we do more to promote the national performance framework, or is it not a problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

The result of that is that a lot of the public do not know what it is.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

Mr Stevenson, you were laying it on pretty thick that this is going to be impossible to do, but the reality is that loads of other countries have vaccination passports. I think that Greece started its system in July, and France, Switzerland and many others have such a system. They seem to have managed it, so what is the big problem here?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

My next question is for Dr McMillan from the Law Society. I was interested in what your submission says about the concept of discrimination. You suggested that there had been a case—I will not even try to pronounce it, but it was in the Czech Republic—in which the courts said that it was not discrimination and that it is legal to have passports, certificates or something along those lines. That case particularly affected children.

On the other hand, you raise the point that introduction of a certificate could be discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 because certain groups have not been vaccinated. Will you tell us where you are with that? Is the law changing? Are we uncertain?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

My understanding is that quite a few countries have used vaccination certificates already, so I presume that we can learn from them. For example, I understand that Greece announced its scheme on 28 May and that there was a big uptake of vaccinations in June before the certificates came into operation in July. I do not know whether you saw the previous evidence session; in it, Mr Doncaster argued that we should be more like France, where vaccination certificates are required for entry everywhere, so that the scheme would be simple and understood by everyone. What have we learned from other countries’ experiences?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

As an extension to that point, if hospital numbers were to fall dramatically over the next fortnight, would we just forget about certificates?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

Previous witnesses talked about the expense of apps and checking people as they go into venues. My experience—I think that people know this—as a Clyde Football Club supporter, is that my season ticket is on an app that is checked when I walk in. There is no problem—the staff use their own phones for doing that, and there does not seem to be an issue. What is your response to the point about the cost to businesses?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

On exemptions, a constituent of mine has a range of health problems but, as I understand it, her general practitioner and clinicians have not yet decided whether it is wise for her to get the vaccine. That is a purely medical decision, but where does that leave her? Do we press the clinicians to make the decision, or will she just be restricted in where she can go?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

I take your point that, in a sense, the wider the system, the simpler it is. I understand that the idea was that the system should be quite narrow so that it affects fewer people. Is it your argument that it would be better to say that people will need certification to get into any premises that serve alcohol and are open after a certain time—say, midnight? That would include not only nightclubs but pubs and restaurants.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

Therefore, from a legal point of view, would it be tidier, neater and better if we were just to close all the football stadia and everything else at midnight, because that would be fair and would treat everybody equally?