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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

Thank you—that is helpful. The Deputy First Minister shows exemplary behaviour in the number of tests that he does. Sadly, however, not everybody in society is taking as many tests and getting the same feedback. Nevertheless, I appreciate your answer.

More generally, is it fair to say that the bill is about saving money? Most legislation leads to money being spent. The key point is that the NHS would be severely damaged if it had to pay full compensation for people’s loss of wages and all the rest of it. The bill will ensure that £500 is paid only to those people who need it most.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

My first question is for Jason Leitch. We have been advised that February will be the crunch month for infections, hospitalisations and so on. Is that what we currently expect?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

One of our aims is to better prepare ourselves for the next pandemic. I am not suggesting that we do this immediately but, once we get through Covid, would it be worth while looking at the 2008 act to ensure that it can deal with isolated cases and future pandemics?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

Thank you for that. There is so much to ask about. Perhaps I can ask a quick question about the inquiry. As I understand it, the inquiry will go up to 31 December 2022. Why was that date, which is obviously in the future, chosen?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

That is helpful.

My next question is for John Swinney. Finance is an issue because we do not have the money to compensate businesses if we close them. Can we do more with other measures?

For example, we previously talked about rolling out the vaccination certification scheme more widely. I mentioned the other day that I was at the theatre on Saturday night. There were only 1,500 people there, so it was not covered by the certification scheme, but the theatre group insisted on people providing proof of a negative test or of vaccinations, which I thought was great. The whole thing went very smoothly. We were checked in the line, and people had time to then get their tickets on their phones so that they could get in the door. I saw no negative reaction to that. Would a useful measure be to roll out the certification scheme more widely?

The second measure relates to mask wearing. Whether people wear masks has varied a lot. Some places have been good on that. At the theatre, virtually everybody wore a mask, but train companies have been poor at asking people—not telling people—to wear masks. The railway companies just say that it is up to the British Transport Police and they cannot do anything. Are there other companies that could be encouraged to push mask wearing a bit more?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

I am certainly convinced by that argument, and I think that the committee probably is, too. However, does that mean that the 2008 act is not entirely fit for purpose? Do we need to revisit that legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 December 2021

John Mason

We received evidence that women especially were not aware of how or when to get hold of the grant. As more people might have to self-isolate over the next two or three months, might the Government make an effort to re-emphasise and reiterate the grant’s availability?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

John Mason

I will move to a slightly different point. In paragraph 39 on page 14 of your report, you say that we are heading towards a £469 million reconciliation for 2024-25. You make the point—it seems to be common sense—that any Government that knew that it was doing that would slightly underspend each year. However, you highlight that there is a problem, in that we cannot save up that money in preparation, because of the rules around the Scotland reserve. Could somebody expand on that and explain it to me and others?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

John Mason

It all gets quite complex, and I presume that that will be one of the issues that will be discussed in the review of the fiscal framework.

My final question is linked to that. In paragraph 2.35 on page 29 of the report, you talk about “average underspend” with regard to the Scotland reserve, and you say that

“the utility of the Reserve”

has been reduced from 2.1 per cent to 1.5 per cent of the budget. Can you explain why that is happening, Professor Breedon?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

John Mason

I realise that you work at a university and that you said earlier that there was an assumption that, if people went to university, they would get a good job and that would be them for life—that was absolutely the case when I was younger.