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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

That is helpful, because we are talking about leadership in Scotland, and there is clearly leadership outside the public sector and the voluntary sector. I get that.

I will follow up the convener’s line of questioning. I have always wondered, and continue to wonder, whether some things are just too vague. I know that when you go down the levels you get a bit more detail, but let me give an example.

One of the 11 national outcomes is:

“We are healthy and active”.

I do not see anyone around the table—indeed, there is probably no one in Scotland—saying, “Oh, that is a bad aim. We should not be healthy or active.” Obviously, everyone wants that outcome to be achieved, but people do not talk about it, or at least they do not talk about it in relation to the national performance framework; they just say that we should be healthy and active or whatever. Is there a fundamental problem that the outcomes are too vague?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

Okay.

Finally, I want to touch on the ideal, in terms of where we are going. Figure 1 on page 9 of the report talks about budgets. I quite like the idea of having a “Basic” level, then “Progressing” and “Advanced”, and then the ideal, which is called the “Leading Edge”. It mentions

“Budgets additionally shared with other organisations”.

In other words, the leading edge organisations work so closely together that they share their budgets. That is quite an aspiration. Is it practical? Is it happening? Can it happen?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

John Mason

My experience was that the funeral director was not cheap but they did everything as a package. I cannot even remember exactly what they did and what I did.

You said that it is sometimes easier to pick up mistakes—about whether someone was single or divorced, for example—if the person giving the information is there and you see them face to face, because you can read them. That is true for me and my colleagues, too—things are better face to face. Is there a problem in that respect with going more online? Another issue would be births and the question whether one parent or two are named on the birth certificate. Again, is that not something that it would be easier to deal with face to face?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

John Mason

I will ask Ms Blair to comment on that in a moment, but I want to pursue something with you first. The registrars raised the point that they might get wrong information about someone’s death and that that would have to be corrected. Is that a complex process?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

John Mason

Ms Blair, do you have thoughts on this area or concerns about information around deaths?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

John Mason

You mentioned funeral directors, who obviously do not know all the facts and depend on the family giving them the right information. When my mother died, just a year ago, I was very dependent on the funeral directors and really appreciated their support in guiding me through the whole process. After all, it is not something that individuals have to go through very often. Will doing things digitally or online make any difference in that respect, or is it inevitable that there will always be a problem with getting information through?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

John Mason

That is very helpful. I realise that I have focused on Ms Blair quite a lot. I do not know whether any of the other witnesses wants to come in with any point. It would appear not. That is me, then, convener.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 March 2022

John Mason

I would like to move on from the issue of access to the issue of the accuracy of the information that comes through to whoever is registering births, deaths, marriages and so on. Ms Millar, if everything is done remotely, is there a risk that it might be harder to pick up on, for example, a sham marriage that is not a real relationship but is to do with, say, immigration?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

John Mason

I accept that that would have to happen. We would start with something minor and then maybe do something more major.

The final issue that I want to touch on is about introducing completely new taxes. That is a possibility, although we would have to get Westminster’s agreement, but we have not done very much in that regard. For example, over the years, it has been suggested that we do not really get enough from the whisky industry. Whisky is a huge export, and a production tax of, say, £1 a bottle could make quite a difference. Do you have any thoughts about completely new taxes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Framework for Tax

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

John Mason

Can we assume that the outcome will not be to support council tax?