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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

You said that broadcasters have to broadcast in a way that

“does not undermine public health information”.

However, the advice changed as we went along. In relation to masks, for example, some people claimed that they would harm us, because we would keep all our bugs and get more of them—or that kind of thing. What is the balance there? Perhaps the public health information has been wrong. What will happen then?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

I was intrigued by one or two of the practical examples that were mentioned earlier. I will start with Tracey Brown and the concept of the bus driver having to decide whether to leave a teenager on the road because they did not have a mask on. I am interested in unpicking that example. Maybe the bus driver—maybe all bus drivers and all of us—should have better understood how efficient masks were, what the ventilation was like on the bus, how busy the bus was, how far the journey was and all those sorts of factors, but that is probably a bit much to expect the bus driver to assess there and then. Should his company have given him better direction? Should the Government have given the bus company a clearer picture of how much flexibility it had? What went wrong there and what could we have done better?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Should every individual bus driver, teacher or family centre be making such decisions? Was the system too rigid?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Thanks very much. We are beginning to run out of time, I think, but Mr Hood, do you want to come in next?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Thanks. Tracey Brown?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Would you expect other people, such as politicians, to counter the misinformation, or do you think that none of us should do that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

How does that work? Do you have a relationship with Ofcom or with the BBC?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Okay. I come to my final question. Last week, the Royal Society of Edinburgh suggested to us that it would like there to be an independent fact-checking service. Would that just duplicate what you are doing, or might it be useful?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Thanks for that.

Will Moy, your example involved pregnant or potentially pregnant women and the varying advice, which kept changing. I want to explore that example a bit. As I understand it, when the vaccines first came out they had not been tested on pregnant women. It was said that, logically, pregnant women would not be getting the vaccine to start with. That put a question into people’s minds that perhaps it was dangerous for pregnant women. Perhaps you can respond on this, too, Dr Holford—on this point about acknowledging uncertainty and avoiding false certainty. In a sense, that did happen with pregnancy—people acknowledged the uncertainty—but that in itself created a problem, did it not?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

John Mason

Okay. Thanks.

Dr Phin, when you were answering the convener’s questions, I got the impression—correct me if I am wrong—that you were basically saying that the job of Public Health Scotland is to present the facts, not really to counter the misinformation, and simply to hope that the facts will eventually win out.