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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

John Mason

This is my final question. The Royal Society of Edinburgh was here early on giving us advice. There were a few things that it was quite keen on. It certainly wanted more science education in order to get the whole population thinking more scientifically, and it suggested the idea of an independent fact-checking service. Are you positive about those suggestions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

To follow on from Ross Greer on capital costs, there seems to be some uncertainty as to whether the original plans for capital meant that some of the money would go to local authorities and some would be passed on to the partner providers, who have suggested that very little went to them. Will you clarify what the intention was and whether that happened?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

Talking about local authorities and data, I was very surprised that we had robust data from only 17 local authorities, and that was after some were questioned and chased. Can you explain why only 17 provided data and whether that was the fault of the local authorities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

Some of the external providers felt that they had capacity or could produce a little bit more capacity at a lower cost than the council could. There was a general comment that councils have a conflict of interest, because they are both providers—in one sense, they compete with the other sectors—and funders. Is there a conflict of interest?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

We received data from 31 local authorities; what happened to the other one?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

Right.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

The suggestion was that at least some local authorities were almost requiring parents to take up hours in council facilities, if those were available, and to get the extras around the edges.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

That is great—thank you.

On a wider issue, one of the things that we are trying to look at—this bill provides one example of it—is how financial memorandums work overall. I do not know how many financial memorandums you have been involved in. I think that you said that you came into this area in 2016, so you were not there when the financial memorandum for this act was produced. If you are able to comment, will you tell us how easy it is to produce a financial memorandum? Are we expecting more accuracy than is possible?

You mentioned that the number of eligible kids had dropped by 7.5 per cent but, when we looked at the whole picture, we saw that it had dropped from 225,000 to 206,000 to 184,000. There has been a dramatic drop in what everybody expected, probably, so I do not think that anybody is criticising the original forecast. With that kind of change, is it impossible to get a financial memorandum that is accurate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Financial Memorandum for the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

John Mason

That is a fair answer. Speaking specifically about two-year-olds, I see that the uptake has not been as great as had been hoped or planned. If I wrote it down correctly, the uptake has been between 41 and 45 per cent, but the hope is to get up to 75 per cent. Is that realistic?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I think that all the witnesses have given a consistent message so far, which is good.

Dr Witcher, you have emphasised the use of words, and I fully accept that words are really important. However, I am a little wary about what you said about only using the word “protections” and not the word “restrictions”—it strikes me that they are both. If we were to only use “protections”, I wonder whether people would say, “You’re just putting a spin on it, because the reality is that my life is being restricted. I cannot go to visit my friends in London, for example.” My suggestion is, surely we should use both “protections” and “restrictions”, so that we are being honest with people.

In your written evidence, you also seem to be critical of the use of the word “vulnerable”. Could you expand on that? I am interested in that, because I have to say that we use that word in the Parliament quite a lot. We talk about people who are financially vulnerable, and we use the word in a health context and in a variety of other contexts. Could you comment on the use of words?