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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

John Mason

Mark Logan, the digital side is seen as being for young people. Are there enough older people in that area? Should older people be getting more training in it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

John Mason

Thank you, convener. I have nothing to declare either.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

John Mason

We have covered quite a lot of areas already. I want to pick up on the topic of older and younger workers, which we have heard a few comments on. Professor Simms talked about older workers struggling to find work. Paul Hunter talked about soft skills, including critical thinking, which I imagine quite a lot of older people would have, and agility, which maybe we think of younger people as having. We have also had input from organisations. Highlands and Islands Enterprise talked about competition for young people, and UK Hospitality talked about Scotland just not having enough workers.

I wonder whether we—that is, the public sector and the Government—can do more to help older workers. Have we put too much emphasis on younger workers in the past?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

John Mason

I was concentrating on age, but you have brought in the issue of gender, which I find interesting. Is that an issue that has to be sorted at school? Is that the stage at which intervention would ensure that we get more girls into information technology?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

On that point, before I come to Mr Boyle, you are arguing that, just as there has been a need for extra tax for care services, we could put in place—we would have to choose whether we wanted to do so—a tax for extra preventative spending. That could be done to launch it all, in a sense. We all seem to have said that we cannot cut anything, so we will wait until we have extra money, and once we have that, we will put it into preventative care, and that is never going to happen.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

Mr Boyle, you can comment on that, too. I was interested that you said that it would be better to measure how safe people are rather than how many police we have. As an auditor, do you think that that would be practical? I did a tiny bit of auditing earlier in my life and I know that measuring the number of police is easier than measuring people’s safety. If we were safer but had fewer police, what would Liz Smith, the Daily Record and everybody else complain about? [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

Before I bring in the other witnesses, that leads me on to another thought. The point has been made that one of the Christie principles was about more joint working, collaboration and so on. Out of that came the health and social care partnerships or integration joint boards, whatever they are currently called, but from my perspective, those are just another kind of new body. Professor Mitchell talked about ensuring that we do not simply add more institutions, but now, instead of a situation in which I either write to the chief executive of the health board or the chief executive of the council, I have a third option, as I can also write to the chief executive of the integration joint board.

My question for you all is whether that kind of thing—not necessarily IJBs specifically, but more generally—has been a mistake or has not worked in the way that it was meant to. If so, why is that the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

For my last point, I will return to Professor Mitchell. You said that, during Covid, we have seen action. In Glasgow, we got cycle lanes quickly, although there was no consultation with the community. To my mind, that immediately suggests that there has been a trade-off. Consultation will take place on whether the cycle lanes are to be permanent, but it did not happen before they were put in. We also got off the street most people who were sleeping on the street, but that meant that people who were overcrowded in their housing could not get another house. I presume that the answer to that is to provide more housing. Will such trade-offs always exist?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

That is possible.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

John Mason

Minister, you told the convener that some funding would be allocated in the spring budget revision. Can you explain why that cannot be done now?