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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

Both of you mention population health and refer back to what the SFC has said, which is, broadly, that improved population health measures can improve the Scottish Government’s long-term fiscal position—I presume that that will be because more people will get back into work and so on.

Mr Robinson, from your experience, have we ever been able to improve health substantially? Can we have any optimism at all that we could do that in the future? We have problems with obesity, poor diet and lack of exercise among young people, and the issue of mental health is much higher up the agenda now, but it does not look as though we are going in the right direction.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

Mr Sousa, in your submission, you say:

“The focus on how much is spent rather than results is as true for health as it is for social care. The latter being a particularly interesting case in Scotland, where government spending per person is around 50% higher than in England, yet little evidence exists of differences in outcomes.”

Are you really saying that there has been no improvement?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

Yes. Does it need to be fundamentally changed? There was not a major review of it last time. We need to focus on how our economy is growing in comparison with economic growth in the rest of the UK, which is largely influenced by London and the south-east. My personal feeling is that we can never compete with London and the south-east. We never have been able to do so. Therefore—this might be a political question, in which case you cannot answer it—do we need a fundamental review of the fiscal framework?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

Is that why the GPs have so much free time now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

I was actually going to put a question to Mike Brown, but, seeing as Ian McCall has just spoken about walking, I will ask about that. Is there a danger, or is it inevitable, that, when you advertise walking, you engage with people who are already a bit active and who get more active—which is good—rather than with people who are doing very little? You specifically mentioned people in deprived areas. Can you engage with them, or does the gap just get wider and wider? That is my second question.

My first question is for Mike Brown, and it follows on from what he said. I am interested in the part of your written submission that says:

“But reflecting on our members’ recent experience improving the productivity of social work services, through the adoption of technology, we have been struck by how many practical and cultural barriers exist, slowing development and implementation.”

There is also a bit about highly risk-averse attitudes towards sharing personal data. Could you expand on that a bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

That is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

Is your sector happy to talk about productivity? When I speak to teachers or health workers, I sometimes get the impression that they are a bit uncomfortable talking about productivity.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

The convener asked you one of the things that I was going to ask you: the need for financial literacy throughout society. That includes the financial literacy of MSPs, but I will not necessarily ask you to deal with that aspect. [Interruption.] Well, that is the MSPs who are not on this committee, of course.

I noted the point that you made in your submission about communicating with very different audiences. To go a little bit further with that, as a society, should we be doing more in schools to get young people thinking about those things? How should we move forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

Who should be taking responsibility for that agenda? Should it be the Government, the Parliament or the Scottish Fiscal Commission, or should it be a mixture of all of us?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

John Mason

You used the word “independent”. You used to be very close to Government, if not part of it.