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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

John Mason

I do not want to be too sympathetic to Westminster, but it is helpful to understand how the process works.

The cabinet secretary’s letter about business support—we certainly did get it yesterday—was interesting. I have a lot of taxi drivers in my constituency, who are always on at me about wanting more business support. When I saw the figures, I was struck by how much the taxi and private hire sector has been allocated. I do not argue that it should get less, but £28 million for the sector is a considerable amount when we look at the figures for other sectors. What is your thinking on why that sector got £28 million?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Therefore, ultimately, the First Minister does not really have the final decision.

As a more general question, in your opening statement, which the convener quoted, you talked about a culture in which people have confidence and can engage constructively. Later, you talked about having a positive culture. How far away are we from that at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

So if somebody wanted to bring along a lawyer, that would—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

That is helpful.

Moving to more specific points, I note that the Deputy First Minister’s letter in the annex to paper 1 talks about “further engagement”, including, obviously, with the committee and specifically with the trade unions. Mr Swinney has already said that the trade unions have been involved. Is it fair to say that they are basically happy with the policy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

The seriousness of the matter would largely be considered case by case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Absolutely. However, if there was a blatant case in which it was found by the external system that somebody had been guilty of something and that the First Minister at the time had ignored that, could Parliament not still come in at that point?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Under the heading “Where parties involved may be the victim of a crime”, the draft procedure states:

“No pressure will be put on a complainer to make any particular decision; if they do not want to tell the police, they do not have to.”

It goes on to say:

“the Scottish Government may have an obligation to bring the matter directly to the attention of the police.”

I do not quite understand how that works. Could you explain that point a bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

That is fair.

The draft procedure contains different stages and processes, including that of “informing” the complainer

“that they may be accompanied by a trade union representative or work colleague.”

It struck me that there is no space for legal representation at that point. Could the person bring along a lawyer, or could the trade union decide that it might have a lawyer involved as part of its team?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

John Mason

Maybe I can pursue that a little further, because I was also thinking along those lines. The draft procedure says that it will be for the First Minister

“to decide on the appropriate response.”

Later, it says:

“The First Minister may wish to consider any lessons relevant to ensuring awareness”.

At first reading, that struck me as being a bit weak. I take your point that it is the First Minister’s decision, but would it be right to say that Parliament has the ultimate decision on that? You have experienced the concept of a vote of no confidence.