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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I take your point that there are poorer people in all communities. I have been in Aberdeen and seen the poorer areas there, for example. However, it could also be said that, in general, a poorer person who lives in a richer area will do better than a poorer person in a poor area. Would you accept that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Last—I will let others decide whether it is least—I would like to return to the question of whether the money is going to the neediest areas, although I realise that colleagues have already touched on that. In your helpful letter to the committee, Mr Gove, you say that 60 per cent of the bids have gone to priority 1 areas in Scotland. I find that a little bit surprising. If we are really levelling up, should it not be 100 per cent?

We have a cross-party group on industrial communities, which tends to focus on the former coalfields and other industrial areas. It also works closely with the Industrial Communities Alliance. It did an analysis of the 105 successful bids and made the point that, of the 94 successful bids in England, Scotland and Wales, only 42 came from the poorest third of sub-regions, going by gross value added per head, and that 14 of the successful bids came from sub-regions in which GVA per head is above the UK average, including six in London. Based on those figures, people might think that the money is not just going to the poorest areas.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I take that point. I am very much in favour, for example, of the fact that, as you will probably know, the Burrell Collection has been upgraded. However, by that argument, you could say that any expenditure anywhere will give poorer areas a boost, but it needs to be targeted to some extent.

I go back to your letter. One of the questions was about what would happen if, during the bid process or in spending the money, something untoward were to happen. You answered that to an extent, but what would happen if a bid came in and inflation—which is a bit higher and looks likely to remain persistently higher than most of us expected—took off? Would there be any extra money?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That was helpful.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

On the strategic framework, there has been some mention of what we can perhaps do for Malawi, Zambia and Rwanda. Can you say anything about what we might do for them?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Dr Miles’s points about mortality and morbidity tie in well with my first question, which is for Professor Elder. I am not sure that I understood what you say in point D of paragraph 5 of your written paper:

“Consideration should be given to the relative priority of treatment for high morbidity-low mortality conditions (for example joint replacement for degenerative joint disease) and treatments for conditions with higher mortality.”

Are you saying that we should put more emphasis on morbidity than on mortality?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Do we as a society put too much emphasis on avoiding death?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

In people’s thinking, there is a little bit of a difference between what is law and what is just guidance. I was down in England last week, where the restrictions tend to be more based on guidance and, despite what Murdo Fraser said about people’s good sense, people were not adhering to a lot of that guidance. Therefore, it is too early to lift the restrictions. I agree that we do not want the legislation to be in place for any longer than it needs to be, but it is a little bit too early to change direction.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That seems to be another part of the issue.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

We continue to have a problem with misinformation and people who are Covid sceptic or vaccine sceptic. I understand that some of the data that has been produced has been misused, misquoted or twisted and, as a result, Public Health Scotland will not continue to publish some of the figures. There was an interesting article by Helen McArdle in Saturday’s Herald, which, to be frank, I struggled to understand. Will you clarify what the problem was? I think that it might have been to do with how the unvaccinated population is counted. Will you clarify why the data is not solid and why it is not being published?