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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

John Mason

As Ms Congreve suggested, the three objectives—if we can call them that—could rub against one another a bit. Do we need to set a priority among those three and say which is the most important out of child poverty, climate change or the economy and recovering from Covid?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

I would like to stick with Mr Smith on the issue of scrutiny. I am still trying to get my head round what should be in primary legislation and what should be in secondary legislation. Would you argue that, generally, the scrutiny of primary legislation is easier and better than that of secondary legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

To push you on that final point, if some powers are specific for Ebola and some for TB, should we not leave them until the situation arises and have them in the secondary legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

I declare that I am a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland.

Professor McKenzie Skene mentioned earlier—I am not sure whether she is available to speak or not—that there is a working group and that a review of wider bankruptcy legislation is going on. Having been on finance and other committees in the past, I know that that is quite a complex area.

My main question is this: should the bill touch on bankruptcy or should we leave it for the review to come, in due course?

I am not hearing Professor McKenzie Skene—I am not sure that she is there.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

We are spending longer on this piece of legislation as primary legislation, and your paper on post-legislative scrutiny is very critical of Parliaments generally—the Scottish Parliament is one that is guilty of not going back and looking at legislation enough. There is also the point about things being rushed in under the made affirmative procedure. It seems to me that there will be better legislation if we spend more time over it, think about it, and it is given a proper review, and that anything that is rushed in at the last minute will inevitably be weaker.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

We are hearing bits of what you are saying, but I am afraid that we are not hearing enough.

Are any of the other witnesses involved in that process?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

Thanks. That is very helpful.

Nobody else is jumping in on that point, so I will move on to the moratorium on diligence. As I understand it, that used to last for six weeks and was extended to six months in emergency legislation. Should we go back to six weeks? Should we stay at six months? I think that the suggestion was that if we stay at six months, some clients might disengage from the process. Maybe Mr MacNeil could start on that one.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

In summary, you are saying that we should stick to six months just now and consider 12 weeks later.

Ms Fleming, would you go down the same route?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

We are a little bit pushed for time, so it would be useful if you could make a quick comment on that.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

John Mason

I am sorry, but I think that we will need to leave it at that. If an amendment on the matter is lodged, the witnesses might like to write in with their comments on it.