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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

Could you maybe give me an example of regulations that would indirectly impose restrictions?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

I welcome the fact that we will not have to wear masks in churches and other places of worship as of Monday. The idea of gradually reducing the requirement for masks is sensible.

My question follows on from what Professor Leitch just said about the three categories. We have 2,300 people in hospital with Covid who span those categories, as I understand it. Is it possible to break down how many people are in hospital because of Covid and how many would have been in hospital anyway but have Covid as well?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

John Mason

That is very helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I take the point that we could start anywhere in the circle and, if one or two people start referring more often to the national framework and so on, other people will catch on.

I was a bit surprised that the Parliament came out in a positive light. The Scottish Parliament information centre said:

“There are some good examples across all categories of organisation, not least in the work of parliamentary committees”.

Much as I respect SPICe, I have sat on a lot of parliamentary committees that have never—or hardly ever—mentioned the NPF.

Figure 3, on page 15 of your report, says:

“Parliamentary scrutiny recognises and values individuals and collective (whole system delivery).”

Where do we go in Parliament? Do you have any advice for us? Should we be using the words “national performance framework” a bit more in order to raise awareness?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

You do not want to give me a bad example.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I have a question about where the NPF is working, or not working, and you might want to praise somebody, but might not want to embarrass somebody else. Can you give us good or bad examples of where you feel progress is being made, or where somebody is doing it well, whether that is a council, a health board, the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations or whatever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

I confess that I am not aware of the Scottish Leaders Forum and exactly how it came about or what it is for. I note that the third sector is included, but the private sector generally is not. Can you give me some clarification on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

That is helpful, because we are talking about leadership in Scotland, and there is clearly leadership outside the public sector and the voluntary sector. I get that.

I will follow up the convener’s line of questioning. I have always wondered, and continue to wonder, whether some things are just too vague. I know that when you go down the levels you get a bit more detail, but let me give an example.

One of the 11 national outcomes is:

“We are healthy and active”.

I do not see anyone around the table—indeed, there is probably no one in Scotland—saying, “Oh, that is a bad aim. We should not be healthy or active.” Obviously, everyone wants that outcome to be achieved, but people do not talk about it, or at least they do not talk about it in relation to the national performance framework; they just say that we should be healthy and active or whatever. Is there a fundamental problem that the outcomes are too vague?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

Okay.

Finally, I want to touch on the ideal, in terms of where we are going. Figure 1 on page 9 of the report talks about budgets. I quite like the idea of having a “Basic” level, then “Progressing” and “Advanced”, and then the ideal, which is called the “Leading Edge”. It mentions

“Budgets additionally shared with other organisations”.

In other words, the leading edge organisations work so closely together that they share their budgets. That is quite an aspiration. Is it practical? Is it happening? Can it happen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

John Mason

It does. We could spend a lot longer on this, but I will leave it there, convener.