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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

I will come to Ms Flanagan in a moment, but can I press you on that? There is a political angle as well as the technical angle, is there not? If you are in South Lanarkshire Council and, across the road, North Lanarkshire Council is doing something differently, you and your colleagues come under pressure. I am sorry—you are from Dumfries and Galloway Council; that was just an example. A council will come under pressure when people say that the neighbouring council is doing so much more—it is collecting the bins more often and all that kind of thing. Do you feel under pressure to be consistent with other councils?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

I will leave it at that, although colleagues might want to follow up. It would be helpful to get that email.

Auditor General, in your submission, you talk about the fiscal framework being

“intended to incentivise the Scottish Government”

You say that, when the Scottish economy is doing well, tax revenues increase and that, when it is not doing so well, revenues do not increase. Would you be prepared to say that the fiscal framework is weighted against Scotland at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

I do not think that you will find anybody here who is going to argue with that—I am certainly not. The point has been made, and I think that it is made in your submission, that we have tended to give the NHS increases that are higher than inflation, or at least bigger increases than we have given to local government. Those two areas are the two main parts of our budget. I asked the previous panel this question, so I might as well put it to you as well. Have we been too generous to the NHS? Should we try to give the same increases to the NHS and local government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

Another choice that we have to make concerns the question of ring fencing and whether we should give more money to local government—or any other sector, for that matter. We immediately get accused of creating a postcode lottery if Aberdeen City Council is spending more on education, whereas South Lanarkshire Council is spending more on social care, refuse or something else. Do you have any suggestions about how we can get round that and strike the right balance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

Thank you. Do you want to comment, Ms Flanagan?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

I do not know whether it is possible to get that information. I would be concerned if no council was recovering its costs. I have met developers who say that they would be happy to pay more if that led to speedier planning decisions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

We could probably spend longer on that, but I will run out of time soon. I will ask one more question, which, again, is for Mr Manning. The COSLA submission, looking at capital projects and expenditure, talks about a 30 per cent increase on anticipated costs, which—I have to say—jumped out at me. Is that the kind of inflation that we are talking about for capital projects and so on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

Your submission says:

“there is little evidence that cutting income tax will ... boost economic growth”

Some people might be surprised at that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

On the same point, I know that the DPLR Committee has not been happy in the past about the number of uses of the made affirmative procedure. I understand that there is an argument for that in this case.

There has also been a suggestion that Parliament could have used an expedited procedure, which would have meant that the amendment order would not have been subject to made affirmative procedure. It would still have been subject to scrutiny by Parliament, but Parliament could have agreed to look at the issue more quickly than is normal. Was there no option to do so in this case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

John Mason

Are we too dependent on income taxes?