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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

I will stick to the same theme. As David Lonsdale is sitting next to me, I want to ask the Scottish Retail Consortium how it—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

Oh, right. That is good timing.

If I understood the SRC’s submission, it would like business rates to be lower and it would probably like income tax to be lower, too, so that consumers have more money to spend in the shops. Would you, like Unison, take the view that we could raise some of our taxes to compensate for that? Where do you see the balance between raising taxes and losing money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

I have another question, which is for Clare Reid from the SCDI. If I understood you correctly, you do not like the idea of fiscal drag, in which people effectively pay more tax because of inflation, for example. I think that your argument is that increasing productivity would be a better way of doing things. My question for you is more about timing. Even if we do improve productivity, we are probably talking about three, four, five or 10 years, whereas fiscal drag can help the finances now, can it not?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

I will start with a question for the OECD representative, whom the convener questioned earlier. I am interested in how other countries are thinking about future pandemics and Covid, and whether they are putting money into that area just now, given all the other pressures that we have been talking about. For example, we have talked in this committee about how much of a store of personal protective equipment we should be keeping in preparation for the next pandemic, and whether we should be keeping laboratories open and functioning, or mothballed, in preparation for future requirements when we do not need them right now. Can you give us a flavour, or some examples, of what other countries are doing in that regard?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I will press you a little more on the specifics of Covid and being prepared for another pandemic. You suggest that, overall, countries are being sensible and are thinking through what cuts they would make. Are most countries protecting practical things such as PPE supply, laboratory availability and that kind of thing?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

To focus on social security—Mairi Spowage might want to come in on this—the Scottish Fiscal Commission has warned that if we are more generous on social security than the rest of the UK is, we will need to find that extra money from somewhere, and that looks like being quite a serious amount of money that would need to be trimmed off somewhere else. I will come to Mr Hardt in a minute on the issue of raising more money. Are you still comfortable that we should have that focus on social security?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

Perhaps I could come to Mairi Spowage on that point. To some extent, we have been warned about the potential costs of social security in future. Should we be worried about those, or can we cope with them?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

That is helpful.

I will move to Dr Hardt now. I thought that your submission was good. I was interested that, earlier, you said that you were surprised that there was an acceptance of the fixed budget. I would like to explore that.

Your submission says that we should be doing both preventative spending and downstream spending. The big challenge is whether we can do both at one time. The Finance and Public Administration Committee has certainly spent a lot of time on that. You also refer to the Reform Scotland report entitled “Taxing Times. Why Scotland needs new, more and better taxes”, which I thought was excellent.

I know that the issue is not just about finances, but is your main argument that we should be raising more so that we could do both preventative and downstream spending?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

Thanks. Mairi Spowage wants to come back in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

That is very helpful.

I move to the alliance. I picked up in your paper that you were very positive about the spending emphasis on health, social care, social security and that side of things. However, here and also the other day at the Finance and Public Administration Committee, we heard from COSLA and local government that a lot of what they do is more preventative, and that people would not need to have social security or to go to accident and emergency if local government was funded better and had prevented some of those things from happening. What is your response to that?