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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Professor, I would like to clarify a point. The report is an interim one. I noted that your chair’s summary said that

“these are important and achievable ambitions to which the Scottish Government and its partners will wish to respond.”

Are you expecting a response from the Government to the interim report, which would then feed into your final report?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Thank you. We have had quite a lot of varied evidence, and a representative of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development spoke to us about the issue of what a resource spending review is. Their suggestion was that a resource spending review is slightly different in Scotland and the UK than it is in other countries. In other countries, there seems to be more of an emphasis on examining what they are spending money on at the moment. I do not know whether you saw or picked up on any of that evidence, but do you feel that there was any validity in the point that the OECD was making?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Do you think that it is different in practice in other countries or are they just facing the same issues in a slightly different way?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

That is a reasonable answer but, in five or 10 years, there will be—on the whole—a different lot of politicians around the table, and I do not know how willing they will be to put resources into preventative spend.

We mentioned Professor Morris and his report, and you said that the Government was considering the interim report. Is the Government responding to him at this point, or are you waiting for the final report?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

That is very helpful in allowing us to understand the way ahead.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

I think that we are now at the stage where, whether I ask you a question in the Finance and Public Administration Committee or in this committee, I am asking similar questions—we are very much overlapping with other committees. I will build on the cost side of things. We heard evidence, which has already been mentioned today, that we will need higher levels of stock of PPE, for example. There might be laboratories that were built or created during the pandemic that we are mothballing but keeping in place. I wonder how we get the balance right. I go back to the question of preventative spend. So much of the work of preparing for another pandemic involves preventative spend, which is a good thing, but we are facing these pressures, which you have just been discussing with Mr Rowley.

Therefore, how do you see that work going forward—not just this year but in future years? How do we get the balance right between being prepared and reacting to what is happening now?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

That is super. I would like to ask quite a few other questions, but I will be specific. You said that a key aim is to have a health system that is strong and robust to start with. Some people might say that we should have hundreds of extra beds in hospitals, sitting empty most of the time, so that when a pandemic or similar event comes along we are all ready for it. Obviously, that would come with a cost. Do you have any thoughts on how we balance spending on preventative measures and spending on reactive measures? Clearly, we are under financial pressure at the moment, and having labs or hospitals sitting empty has a cost.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Yes, please—that would be helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

My constituency has a whole load of sandstone tenements, which are incredibly difficult to retrofit. I accept that it is expensive, but I sometimes wonder whether we should do more of it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

I want to pursue that, because we have not touched on housing until now. What would be the practical impact on housing associations if the freeze continued beyond March and they had less income? Would you cut back on maintenance and things like that?

My other point is on capital expenditure. What is your thinking in that respect? We are going to build more houses, but should we be doing more on the retrofit side to try to improve heating costs and so on? Have we got the right balance between retrofit and building new houses? The Passivhaus approach comes into that; I have such buildings in my constituency, and they have been built to a very high standard, although I think that they were more expensive. How do we strike the right balance?