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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 March 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

John Mason

I am going to ask about targets. I think that 26 per cent of children are living in poverty at the moment, in Scotland, but we are meant to be hitting a target of 18 per cent by 2023-24 and 10 per cent by 2030-31. You have all said that the picture is much more complicated than that, but in politics that is the only number that matters, because it is the only one that politicians talk about. Based on that statistic, it appears that the Scottish child payment has not had a huge impact. Dr Stone, you talked about not having a narrow view, but politicians do have a narrow view. How can we tackle that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

John Mason

I will leave it at that, because I think that Bob Doris will go into that space, too.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

John Mason

Professor Tominey, should we be setting targets at all? Would it be better if we did not, and instead just did good work?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

John Mason

I will explore the other side of Marie McNair’s question. Seeing as Professor Patrick was speaking about that, perhaps she could start.

We are talking about something like 54,000 low-income children who are not getting universal credit. However, the other angle is that some who are not in low-income households—we have been given a figure of 241,000—are in receipt of universal credit and the Scottish child payment. It is obviously nice to give people money, but is that a good use of funding?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

John Mason

Permanent secretary, I understand that on 16 April you met the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee at Westminster. Do you think that there is a good understanding at Westminster generally, and certainly among civil servants, of Scotland and our particular situation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

John Mason

We had examples from Wales of the very strong relationship between the academic world, the civil service and Government. I wanted some reassurance that we are moving forward in that regard.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

John Mason

Sorry to interrupt, but Social Security Scotland is paying the DWP what it is being asked to pay. Therefore, Social Security Scotland is in no way at fault, surely.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

John Mason

I suppose that I accept that. That is up to the auditors.

My final question is to you, Ms Fraser. One of your letters indicated that there has been a slight increase in bullying and harassment, or reports of such, from 7 per cent to 8 per cent. Should we be worried about that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

John Mason

I will move on. I have been thinking for a while that it would be good to have just one body—the obvious one would be the Scottish Human Rights Commission—and to plug lots of other things into it, although I accept that that would probably not be appropriate for some commissioners, such as the Scottish Information Commissioner. What you have said today has strengthened my thinking on that, but what would be the disadvantages of that approach? Why would it not work, or why could it not work, to put most of the commissioners into the Scottish Human Rights Commission?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

John Mason

We have mentioned WhatsApp messages and I believe that a review of policy in that area is going on. Can you assure us that it is still possible for a minister, a cabinet secretary or the First Minister to engage in a private conversation, brainstorming or whatever, with civil servants as appropriate? I think that that used to happen on WhatsApp and it was seen as just sharing ideas sometimes. That now seems to have been clamped down on. Is there still space, as I think there should be, for a bit of interaction that is off the record?