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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

John Mason

As you may have realised, we have already heard various evidence on the subject. One of the things that we have been told is that having to find efficiencies to address the current budget pressures, which you have both mentioned, is not the same as fundamental reform. Do you agree with that? Is reform something different; if so, what is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

John Mason

With all due respect, I am not really here to hear that you want more money. I understand that and we will look at that in the budget process. I am asking about public sector reform. I will come to Ms Watters in a moment. If we are not going to change the number of local authorities, are there too many other bodies? We used to have health boards and local authorities—two bodies. Now, we have health and social care partnerships in the middle, so there are three bodies. We used to have two enterprise bodies—Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise—and now we have three, because we also have South of Scotland Enterprise. Are there just too many bodies out there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

John Mason

I have one more question to ask of either of you. The islands, in particular, have suggested the idea of a single authority by putting together health and local government in Shetland, Orkney or the Western Isles, or even Fife, where they are already quite coterminous. Is that something that we should be looking at?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Convener

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

John Mason

Good morning, and welcome to the 19th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from the deputy convener, Michael Marra, who cannot attend today’s meeting. That means that, as the oldest member of the committee, I will convene the meeting for the first item of business, under which the committee will choose a convener.

I put on record our thanks to Keith Brown for his work during his time on the committee, and I welcome back Kenneth Gibson.

The committee has agreed that only members of the Scottish National Party are eligible for nomination as convener of the committee. That being the case, I nominate Kenneth Gibson.

Kenneth Gibson was chosen as convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

John Mason

It would also save on chief executive and other costs.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

John Mason

Perhaps I can move on to Ms Watters now, to give her a chance.

Ms Watters, you said that the funding landscape is cluttered. We have Scottish Enterprise, Business Gateway, local authorities and we now have the Scottish National Investment Bank, too. Is it all too cluttered?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

John Mason

That is great—I appreciate that the situation is quite unique in Shetland. Dr Gilmore, should we be thinking of radically changing the dental system to something more like the GP system—where the GPs work for the public sector almost 100 per cent—and drop the private side?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

John Mason

Can I ask you for a quick response, Ms McElrath—would you agree with Dr Gilmore?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

John Mason

There has been a lot of doom and gloom, rightly, around the pandemic and all that has happened. Has anything good come out of the pandemic by way of lessons that we can learn for the future?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

John Mason

Thanks. I might come back to you on that point afterwards.

Mr Visocchi, Shetland is a bit smaller, so I guess that you are all friends with each other. Did you gain anything positive from the pandemic?