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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I will let Tom McNamara speak in a second, but one suggestion was that the reporter might end up having to meet two or more groups separately, even within a family, before they went forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I did not ask specifically about that, but that concern was raised with us.

With regard to controlling profit, I am sceptical about whether that will happen UK-wide or indeed elsewhere, because I know from experience that big companies are very clever at manipulating profit, charging management fees and so on.

On the night when committee members met the young people here, I met only a few of them, but it was interesting to hear one or two say that they were relaxed about whoever ran their care home making a bit of profit, as long as it went back into making buildings better and so on. They were more concerned about the possibility of the director or chief executive officer—whoever they might be—driving around in a really fancy car. If the director had a really nice car, that would reduce the profit—and that is my point. Once you get into such minutiae, it is almost impossible to control that sort of thing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Okay. We will keep an eye on that.

Building on that, I note that a slightly different approach has been proposed with regard to fostering, because the fostering service has to be a charity. First of all, can you explain the difference between the two approaches?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I am interested in the term “statistical figures”. That suggests that they are definite and historical, as compared with forecasting—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Okay, thanks very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

You will not be surprised to hear that I want to look at money, finances and so on. First, I have a question about profit limitation, which is a phrase that is used in section 8 of the bill. As you might have seen, in our previous evidence-taking sessions we have talked about excessive profits, superprofits and things like that. Can you say something about your thinking on that aspect, especially the definition of the term “profit”? I am not an expert, but I am an accountant, and I know that it is possible for people to interpret the idea of profit in many different ways.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I suppose that that is one of my concerns—that this is so complex that we might be better just focusing on the price that somebody charges and the quality of the product that we get. When we buy, say, the Forth road bridge—or anything—with public money, it is all important, as is this. Is it not just the quality of care and the actual cost that we should focus on? I have forgotten exactly who it was, but when I asked, “Where is the quality of care best?”, at least one witness answered that it was better in the private sector than in the public sector.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

Do you mean that they are historical figures?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

John Mason

I see that there has been an equality impact assessment, but I note that there are five men and two women, which is not ideal.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

John Mason

So, whether it was a trainer, an individual, a couple of folk within a local authority or an external provider, they would all go through the same training or have the same qualification standard?