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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

I think that it was Ms Savage who mentioned that the words “commission” and “commissioner” mean a lot of different things to different people. Is that a problem? We understand that things are the same internationally, in that many countries have a somewhat complex landscape. Is that a problem? Should we be trying to define “commission” and “commissioner”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

I will come to Ms Agnew in a moment, because she has touched on the independence question. I asked this question of the previous panel. Is it more important that the commissioner is independent in themselves rather than in terms of what they are called and whether they are answerable to the Government, Parliament or whatever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

You have correctly said that it is quite a complex area. I think that we are struggling, in some ways, to get to grips with it. I suspect that many people would probably struggle to say how the children’s commissioner and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland differ from each other.

I was interested in your point that although they are all independent to the public, how the public see the role might depend on whether the role is called “commissioner” or something else. I think that most people would think that His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland is quite independent; from the public’s point of view, I am not sure that there is a difference between their being answerable to the Government and their being answerable to Parliament. I get that, theoretically, they are less independent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Thanks very much, and thank you, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

We have covered a lot of ground already, but I would like to pursue the idea of merging organisations. This will probably apply more to the second panel than to you. To be simplistic, the two of you, Mr Hamilton and Dr Plastow, are both dealing with information, so why could you not be the one organisation? Yours is quite small, Dr Plastow, and you have said how difficult it is with a small number of staff and that one more or one fewer member of staff would make a huge difference to your budget. However, putting yourselves together would give a bit of flexibility, it would mean that you could save half a member of staff or that if somebody is off sick it is not such a big deal.

Similarly, Ms Johnston and Mr Bruce, merging your organisations has already been suggested. You are both looking at the same cases, so that is duplication. I accept that in your submissions you think that it is not duplication, but it is duplication because you are both looking at the same cases. Surely, at a time of pressure that is a way forward. Could you comment on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Are you not on a slightly smaller scale than them? They are dealing with thousands of cases.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Could you not have two commissions within the one organisation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Mr Bruce made a point earlier about how things appear to the public. Those inspectors might appear to be less independent than you are.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

I take the point, Ms Devlin, that you are trying to make the system friendly, helpful and simple, but we have had evidence that some clients find the process to be quite complex and stressful. My understanding is that the legislation has certain requirements, such as that redetermination requests are to be made in a form that the Scottish ministers require. Can you give us an idea of how much flexibility you have in relation to how the system works? How much are you bound by what is in the legislation?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

Some people will keep copies of their original application forms and so on, but many will not. We have heard of an example in which somebody who wanted to make a redetermination request asked for a copy of their completed application form but had difficulty getting it. Would that be just a one-off? Would people normally be able to get the original application form?