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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

In that sense, it will—I cannot disagree with you on that. However—and I do not think that we can make this any clearer, convener—the new organisation will, in every respect, put a huge emphasis on apprenticeship delivery.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

If anything, we want to enhance business involvement across the gamut. You talked about careers. We need greater business input into the careers offering—that is a challenge to them. Skills planning has been enhanced—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I do not accept that at all. In this instance, the work that has been done on skills planning would see the existing functions still sitting within those two organisations, with the Government taking an overarching lead. I do not think that anything would be pulled out. The careers service is about much more than SDS.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

All the component parts of the careers services collaborative need to do their bit. At the moment, there is a bit of a conflation that suggests that this is all about careers advisers in schools—far from it. All the work will come together with an overarching vision for the post-16 landscape. I do not accept that placing the responsibility for apprenticeships elsewhere would create the difficulty that you are suggesting.

The SFC already engages considerably and in a variety of ways with business. I fully accept the member’s point, but, since day 1 of the process, the team and I have been engaging directly with business. An employer group has been set up, which met a couple of weeks ago. In the first instance, it will look at apprenticeships, but its remit has been broadened beyond that. An apprenticeship committee will be provided for within the SFC, which will have a broader remit than the existing SDS committee, the SAAB.

Extensive work is being done. This is about making the offering better than it is currently. In the context of employer engagement and the SFC’s committee, some of the evidence that the committee has taken from various stakeholders on how we could expand that has been quite useful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I suspect that SDS has looked—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I am not aware that we have asked, but we absolutely do not recognise that number.

I will explain for the benefit of the committee and wider stakeholders what we did. We outlined the range of possible costs, from extremely optimistic to extremely pessimistic, and we are currently working through what the actual cost will be. We anticipate being able to furnish the committee with that detail in due course, and certainly before stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

It is a complex issue that requires a lot of detail that we cannot currently access. However, we are working on that. I did not want to come to the committee—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

Some of that sits outwith the apprenticeship delivery. As I said, getting the careers offering right will be critical to that. It is about all the things that I have identified, including how apprenticeships are delivered and the issues that arise from that. In moving all that into a different organisation, with that awareness and all the work that has been done around that and all the work that will be done to build on that, the opportunity arises to do this differently and better. That is what it provides. I was simply giving you a flavour of the type of things that we could do in that space.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I am sorry, convener, but, with respect, I think that I have told you that.

Here is the other thing. As we move forward, we charge the people who will deliver this with exploring the practicalities and pros and cons of making those changes, and other things that they will bring forward in their dialogue with wider stakeholders. Although we have done a lot of work up until now, we need a lot more conversation with the various sectors about what better would look like.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

The chief executive of SDS was clear that he did not share the concerns that others have expressed, and that I have expressed today. For example, I understand from having read its written response to the committee that SDS is not of the view that the managing agent model as it currently operates is problematic. I am not sure that I would concur with that.