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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

I accept that argument to an extent, but, with respect, the NHS and other entities will always say that, if we gave them more money, they could fix the problem. From what we have heard throughout the meeting, there are some cultural and systemic problems that need to be addressed outwith purely financial resource and what flows from that. Is that not the case?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Graeme Dey

Apologies, convener.

At any stage during the budget process, did any MSPs or parties who have been asking for money for education make such suggestions to you? If they did, how did you assess those suggestions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Graeme Dey

You chose your words very carefully there—you used phrases such as “I hope to see an improvement”. I take it that you expect progress to be made in the coming year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Graeme Dey

I have one final question, in the interest of getting a fully balanced picture. In the context of the ambition to recruit another 500 classroom assistants, what progress has been made? For example, we have a growing trend in the identification of pupils with additional support needs. Very often, that is down to improved identification, which is to be welcomed, but classroom assistants can, among other things, provide support in mainstream settings. What progress is there to report in that regard?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Graeme Dey

I do not expect you to have all the figures to hand today, but it would be useful for the committee to hear what the progress on classroom assistants has amounted to. I am certainly also interested in hearing about how you monitor how the £15 million is used and what progress there has been with that. Perhaps you could write to the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Graeme Dey

Good morning. There is a sum of £145.5 million in the budget to support local authorities with the recruitment and deployment of additional staff. Last year, local authorities received the same sum with a view to recruiting an additional 2,500 teachers—which, among other things, would support post-probationers into employment—and 500 classroom assistants. I am not sure about the progress that has been made in relation to the recruitment of classroom assistants. Perhaps you can share that with us. However, the overall number of full-time equivalent teachers being employed fell, due to a significant drop in primary schools.

Given that you presumably had a deal with local authorities on that recruitment, how can that be? How will you seek to ensure that councils fulfil their end of the agreement? I recognise that it ought to be the councils that we put on the spot about this issue. However, as you are here today, cabinet secretary, can you outline for me, first, your view on the lack of progress on boosting teacher numbers and, secondly, what will be done to ensure that we get the additionality that the funding is being provided for?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Graeme Dey

I will be as brief as I can be. At the start of the meeting, cabinet secretary, you set the committee members a challenge: if we suggested to you that you should spend more money on any aspect of education, we needed to tell you where it would come from. My colleague Mr Kerr was unable or unwilling to rise to that challenge when he talked about colleges.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Graeme Dey

Thank you. Good morning, Deputy First Minister. The redress issue has always been surrounded with great sensitivity. With a process such as this, there can be a disconnect between people’s expectations about how efficiently a scheme will work and what is reasonable to expect in the initial phase. Can you give us a broad sense of how you feel the scheme has performed up to now, recognising that it is still to be built upon and developed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Graeme Dey

There is, absolutely, a logic to that, but what I would like to hear today is whether the Government is willing—at least in principle—to commit to taking a slightly different approach that affords this committee, or others, greater opportunity to scrutinise what is being proposed. What I am talking about goes beyond the affirmative and super-affirmative procedures. Is the Government willing—in principle at least—to commit to allowing committees to take evidence and produce reports, almost as they would do during stage 1 proceedings, and then treat the process of dealing with the secondary legislation more like a stage 2 process? That might give some colleagues a little more reassurance about having an opportunity to interrogate the proposal further, if you decide to take it forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Graeme Dey

We have the legislative angle to this, but we also have the practical application, which is about establishing pathways between a national children’s care service and its interaction with existing localised services not captured by the bill. If we proceed with the intended national care service for adults and then decide not to proceed with the same service for children, we will need to establish new pathways to ensure that everything works. What work is going on in that area?