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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

I get that point, but if you are saying that somebody complying with a permit is not good enough at the moment because the permit system has not been modernised, why would our first course of action not be to modernise the system for complying with permits? Should we not ensure that the existing legislation is as tight as it can be and is actually used? I am playing devil’s advocate, but I have to be honest: I do not see the point of introducing new, supposedly overarching legislation if the current legislation does not work in the modern age.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Let us hear from Sue Miller, please.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Scotland always likes to take a lead. However, although I understand why you are giving evidence at committee today, as the chief networks officer at Stop Ecocide International, you have just said that you do not know how Scottish legislation and the current permit system operate. In that case, why do you think that what is proposed here is the right thing, rather than modernisation of the existing systems, which may well lead to quicker and better improvements in those areas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Jamie, do you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Good morning. Some of you have already answered this question, but I would like a yes or no answer, please, for the record. Is it clear to you how the bill would interact with existing environmental legislation and regulation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Fine, thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

One of the previous witnesses said, and I paraphrase, that the bill would be the safety net at the outer limit of activity. Jonnie, am I right in saying that you are arguing that we maybe require to ensure that existing regulation and legislation is well known by the folks that you and others on the panel represent in order to get preventative measures in play?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

I would like to explore the key differences between the proposed offence and the existing offence of causing significant environmental harm in section 40 of the Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014. Why have there been so few prosecutions under section 40 of the 2014 act?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

It wouldnae come under the ecocide bill, because you are describing something in England and not in the Scottish jurisdiction. Let us hear from Mr Whittle, please.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

I will paraphrase something that you said earlier, Mr Whittle: you said that a change in the law would lead to culture change. I am quite long in the tooth in this place, and I have to say that changes in legislation do not automatically lead to culture change. What makes you think that the bill would lead to that culture change?