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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Mark Griffin

Good morning, minister. I want to discuss the presentation of the budget figures and how we compare like with like, and how we compare the budget before us with budgets from previous years, so that the committee and Parliament can scrutinise the figures.

The Government has talked about a 5 per cent increase in this year’s budget compared with the previous year’s budget. COSLA and local authorities have said that a better interpretation would be to compare the entire amount of money that local authorities received for this financial year with the amount for the coming financial year. Their interpretation is that, under that analysis, there has been a 0.2 per cent reduction in real terms. Why does the Government choose to compare a budget with another budget, rather than considering the in-year additions that the Government has made to support teacher pay and core pay?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Mark Griffin

Good morning. I would like to probe a bit more the difference between the Government’s rhetoric about the uplift to local government funding and the pretty bleak picture being painted by you guys from the coalface, essentially.

The Accounts Commission has said that, in the 10 years between 2013-14 and now, local government has had a 2.6 per cent real-terms increase. However, Martin Booth pointed out that, when you look at that increase, you can compare it with going from working 20 hours to 40 hours and see it as an increase in budget, so you could say that, mathematically, that figure is correct. Can you drill down deeper into that and outline, in cash terms and policy terms, what those extra 20 hours a week mean? We know about the 1,140 hours, free school meals, IJB contributions and teacher numbers. Are you able to set out what services you provide over and above those that you were providing in 2013-14 and what they cost you? How do you compare that with the 2.6 per cent uplift that the Accounts Commission talked about?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Mark Griffin

I am more than happy for you to give an answer in writing, if that is easier.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Mark Griffin

When we look at budgets year on year and even when we try to compare with 2013-14, when police and fire services were taken out of the budgets, it would be helpful for us to know that we are comparing apples with apples, rather than comparing apples with pears, as we seem to do every year. That would give us a real understanding. It would be helpful if the committee and Parliament were able to provide assistance in cutting through what is sometimes a disparity in the projection of figures between local and national Government. It would be good to get anything that you can provide on that.

My second question is on a particular area of pressure in local government. The Local Government Information Unit’s survey said that the biggest short-term and long-term pressure for budgets is adult social care. What is the driver of that pressure? Is it purely population growth among our elderly residents, or is there a different reason? What should government do with this year’s budget settlement to address that pressure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Mark Griffin

The policy memorandum refers to a “proportionate approach”. What will be the Government’s attitude towards the varying levels of size of house builders? Small and medium-sized enterprises are being treated very differently in the scheme down south. What will the Government’s approach on that be in Scotland?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Mark Griffin

It would be helpful if you could let the committee know as soon as you have any detail on that. That would be worth while.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Mark Griffin

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Mark Griffin

Why has that been left to regulations? Why is there no more detail up front to make developers aware of what is coming down the track?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Mark Griffin

The bill gives Scottish ministers the power to establish a responsible developers scheme. Are you able to set out how the scheme will speed up the remediation of potentially unsafe buildings?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Mark Griffin

Finally, I want to ask about the power to introduce a levy. Has there been any difficulty in developing the bill or the programme while we wait for the devolution of the power that would enable the introduction of a levy?