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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I am interested that you do not want to deliver massive shocks into the system at a time when you are transferring massive sums from one organisation to another, but I will leave that to one side.

Your colleagues spoke to the committee before about Dundee university. Our concern at that point was that they were not telling ministers the truth about the financial situation—or it might be better to say that they were not being frank with ministers about the dire situation in universities. Is it not a concern to you that, following that, we will not be publishing the financial sustainability report for our universities and colleges until months later? Might not that feed into our anxiety that you are not being frank with ministers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

My question is for Clare Reid. Some, although not all, of the businesses and business organisations that I speak to are pretty angry about what is happening. They think that they are going to lose two things. One is business or employer involvement in the organisation that is responsible for the funding. Secondly, because they see that the university and college sector is under financial stress, they think that funding will be diverted away from apprenticeships. I am puzzled as to why your members are not reflecting that wider concern that I am picking up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You both started the session by being quite positive about the bill, but you are getting more negative as you give your answers. Is that a fair representation of where this is going?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Earlier, you made a point about the need to have the proper resource to get the right people with the capacity to deliver the change. From your knowledge and experience over the years in various sectors—the public sector and the university sector—do you think that that is going to happen? From what you have seen before, do you have much confidence that the process will be properly resourced in that way?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

My amendments in this group are about safeguarding and the role of the inspectorate in checking the systems of, primarily, local authorities for identifying safeguarding issues and dealing with those appropriately.

The GTCS has a responsibility, but that is only for teachers, not other staff in schools. Also, the GTCS does not have responsibility for the system; its responsibility relates only to an individual’s fitness to teach. There is therefore a vacuum—a space—which has been identified, apparently, by Neil McLennan and his colleagues, who have campaigned on the issue.

I have had several discussions with the GTCS. It recognises the issue but also recognises the limitations on its powers, because it is funded by individual teachers in relation to fitness to teach and the regulation of teachers, not in relation to the wider system.

I have therefore sought in my amendments in this group to give responsibility to the chief inspector to check local authorities, primarily, on their inspection processes to ensure that the local authorities deal appropriately with safeguarding and its systems, not just in relation to teaching staff but for other staff as well. Amendment 308 would add a requirement for inspections to include a look at safeguarding arrangements. Amendment 332 sets out that the inspection plan would have to consider how inspections would be used to monitor safeguarding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are here to represent the Funding Council. Surely you must have discussed those things.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

If there is a fire or a crisis in apprenticeships and, at the same time, another university gets into great difficulty, where will the chief executive spend her time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

What proportion of her time will she devote to apprenticeships? Surely you must have an idea of how she will divide her time in relation to an issue that is so important for the country, albeit that it involves a relatively small amount of funding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Who within the Scottish Funding Council will be in charge of the apprenticeships programme? The chief executive who is currently responsible spends all his time focusing on apprenticeships. When matters are transferred to the SFC, will the chief executive there, with all her authority, power and influence, be in charge of them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are saying that you just do not recognise that power imbalance.