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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

You may, as long as it is one and it is brief.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that brief question and brief answer, which bring us to the end of this session. I will suspend the meeting until 11:15 to allow for a changeover of witnesses and let members prepare for the next item. Cabinet secretary, thank you and your officials for attending. You are staying with the committee for the next item, so we will see you shortly.

11:07 Meeting suspended.  

11:15 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item is evidence on a type 1 consent notification on the Persistent Organic Pollutants (Amendment) Regulations 2023.

The United Kingdom Government is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent to legislate in an area of devolved competence in respect of a UK statutory instrument. On 18 June, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition notified the committee of the UK instrument. The Scottish Government asked whether the committee could, exceptionally, consider the regulations by 28 June, in order to complete parliamentary consideration before the summer recess. I agreed to place the item on the agenda for this meeting.

The committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s proposal to consent to the UK Government making the regulations within devolved competence, and in the manner that the UK Government has indicated to the Scottish Government. We aim to come to a view on that after today’s evidence.

I am pleased to welcome back Màiri McAllan, Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition. The cabinet secretary is joined by Dan Merckel, chemicals team leader from the Scottish Government. Before we move on to questions, would you like to make a brief opening statement, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, could you clarify something about the proposed heat in buildings bill? By my calculation, if Highland Council were to update its housing stock to give it all an energy performance certificate rating of C, the estimated cost would be £0.25 billion. Will the proposed heat in buildings bill have some detailed financial workings on how we are going to achieve its requirements?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

It is quite interesting that Highland Council stopped its rates a couple of weeks ago because it was undercutting everyone else, giving cheaper electricity.

Monica Lennon is next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I am not sure that I am any more comfortable on that. Liam, do you want to come back in on that and see if you can go further?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

The vastness of your portfolio is fully understood by the committee, which has a vast remit as well. Sometimes, we struggle to get round to every part of it, but we will have a go today. Ash Regan will start questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

We will communicate that to the Government. That concludes the public part of the meeting.

11:31 Meeting continued in private until 12:39.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have received apologies from Jackie Dunbar, and Bob Doris is attending the meeting as a substitute member for the Scottish National Party. Welcome, again, Bob.

This is our first public meeting since our deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop, left the committee to take up her new role as Minister for Transport. I am sure that we all agree that the committee benefited greatly from Fiona’s experience in government and the diligence that she showed while on the committee. We all wish her well in her new role—there are lots of things to deal with. I am glad that we have that on the record.

Under our first agenda item, we must decide whether to take items 5 and 6 in private. Item 5 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear under item 2, and item 6 is consideration of our work programme. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a question before we leave the topic of the environment, cabinet secretary. You have explained the importance of biodiversity and the aim to reach net zero. We grow a few trees on the farm, but purely for non-commercial purposes. Across Scotland, there was a commercial target for 15,000 hectares to be planted last year, but we achieved only 8,000 hectares, which is 53 per cent of the total. Since 2016, we have been gradually dropping behind the Government targets year on year. Does that worry you?