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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

The second item on the agenda is an evidence session with Scotland’s statutory environmental regulators. I refer members to the papers from the clerk and the Scottish Parliament information centre.???

Earlier this year, the committee agreed to hold a one-off evidence session with environmental regulators to take stock of environmental law and regulation post-Brexit as well as other recent developments.

I welcome our witnesses. Jo Green, acting chief executive, Scottish Environment Protection Agency, and John Kerr, operations manager of protected areas, innovation and data, NatureScot, both join us remotely. Mark Roberts, chief executive, Environmental Standards Scotland, joins us in the committee room. I thank you all for accepting our invitation to attend.

Members will ask questions in turn. It would help broadcasting staff if members could direct their question to a specific person on the panel or set out a running order for answers.

I will ask the first question, which I direct to Jo Green. At the beginning of last year, and in the course of this year, SEPA struggled with data breaches that led to immense problems with its computer systems. Could you bring us up to speed on how you have resolved that situation and whether you are now working online and are back to your previous form?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

Before I come to Jo Green, I make it clear that the reason why I ask the question is that I have an interest in and knowledge of the issue—I know that 40 per cent of the River Spey is abstracted and sent down to Fort William, which puts extreme pressure on water resources. I make no bones about the fact that I benefit from those water resources, as they provide drinking water for the lower parts of the Spey catchment. Given that water levels were so low this year, there was an almost impossible situation. I therefore wonder whether you are on top of abstractions and whether you think the old legislation relating to them is right in today’s modern age.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

We will come back to the budget—I am sure that committee members will want to ask about that.

Mark, things have got better since you joined, or are getting better. Have you noticed any themes emerging since you took up your role?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

Have you found it easy to get other agencies to see your organisation as part of the solution?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

That all sounds very positive, which is good news.

Monica Lennon has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

I think that Liam Kerr might have some further questions on a slightly different subject, but before we come to those, I have a question for Jo Green on this subject. Sewage discharge is an interesting issue. Did SEPA lose all its records of every sewage discharge into a watercourse in Scotland? It collected that data, so do you have those records? If so, can you publish them, and do you monitor them?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

That is the end of our questions. I thank the witnesses for taking part. In particular, I thank Mark Roberts for taking part in both panels. I thank Jim Martin and Neil Langhorn for coming along for this item.

We will produce a short report for the Parliament, which will then consider a motion to approve the strategic plan.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:33 Meeting continued in private until 12:04.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

Good morning and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2022 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

I am not seeing any feed on the screens. Can we rectify that, please, before we go any further?

The first item on the agenda is consideration of whether to take in private agenda items 4 and 5, on consideration of the evidence that we will hear. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

I think that Liam Kerr has supplementary questions on the first part of that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Edward Mountain

I will bring in Mark Roberts, because he partially answered that question before.