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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Edward Mountain

We look forward to getting the additional information that the cabinet secretary has kindly offered to give us.

Cabinet secretary, I thank you and your officials for attending, and I briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

09:29 Meeting suspended.  

09:31 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is an evidence session with Scottish Water and Business Stream, which is a subsidiary of Scottish Water. This is a chance for the committee to check in with Scottish Water on its important role. We will consider its most recent annual report and look ahead to its main priorities and challenges.

Before I go any further, I welcome Sarah Boyack, who is attending the meeting and who will get to ask questions at the end, once committee members have had a chance to ask a few questions.

As a matter of information, I remind people that I, along with every other person in Scotland—or the majority of people in Scotland, although not everyone—am a client of Scottish Water in the sense that I get water, but I am also a client of Business Stream, in that I get water from it for my farm. I say that just so that there is no dubiety about that.

I am pleased to welcome Dame Susan Rice, the chair of Scottish Water; Alex Plant, the chief executive of Scottish Water; Peter Farrer, the chief operating officer of Scottish Water; and Johanna Dow, the chief executive of Business Stream. Thank you for joining us.

Before we move to questions, I believe, Dame Susan, that you wish to make an opening statement. That is very formal—do you mind if I call you Susan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I think that you want to make a brief opening statement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

That was for committees with a much bigger structure. In such cases, it might be possible to achieve that with the gender balance that we have in the Parliament, as members are available for that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

On quotas, you might be drifting away from that approach. As a Parliament, we cannot direct how parties select their candidates—that is outwith parliamentary control. It might be that a party’s selection and then election process—even if there was a 50:50 candidate split—could result in a party having one more male than female, or the other way round. You cannot direct quotas, because you cannot direct the election. Therefore, I do not understand how you feel that you can implement a quota system. How do you implement it?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I totally agree with that. However, if, despite my preference, I am excluded because of quotas, that is wrong.

As a committee convener, I do a huge amount of work with clerks to ensure that I do not have an all-male panel or an all-female panel. I ensure that there is balance. Setting quotas prevents that, and it worries me that the best person for the job would be prevented from doing it. I do not care whether they are male or female; I want the best person for the job.

09:45  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, convener. I am delighted to be back on the committee, which is one that I have always enjoyed immensely. I hope that, at the end of this meeting, you will still be able to say that you enjoyed having me.

I have no interests that are relevant to the meeting to declare, but I remind members that I have in the register of members’ interests an entry that says that I own property, am part of a family farming partnership and have a wild fishery on the river Spey.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

The only comment that I would make is that I was on this committee at the start of the session and I am now back as a substitute—I am in the fourth group of people from my party who have been on this committee. The membership will constantly change, and I cannot see how you can force it—that is my problem.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a small question on committee membership. If, during a session, somebody is asked to step down from a committee to try to get a balance, they can, of course, refuse to do so. I do not have to resign from a committee just because my party wants me to; I have to write to the Presiding Officer and say that I want to resign. You might not be able to achieve this aim without a lot more significant rule changes, and you might be ordering somebody to leave a committee when they have expressed a preference to attend it. Would you feel comfortable with doing that?

10:00  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

“A Parliament for All: Report of the Parliament’s Gender Sensitive Audit”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. What you have put forward has not convinced me that that is the right way to go, as you have said that the recommendation is there just as a matter for discussion.

Convener, you know my views on proxy voting, because I was on the committee when it was discussed. It is the most excellent thing that we have brought in, and it is important that we continue it. I will just comment that it is important to increase access to it for parental leave, bereavement and illness. I struggle to imagine an MSP voting against that, because we never know what is around the corner.

I agree on the data collection point.

I will turn to the issue of quotas, which is where I have some issues. Susan Duffy, do you agree that, when you select somebody to do a job, it does not matter where they come from or whether they are male or female and that the most important thing is to get the best person to do that job?